What i think is really interesting is Bob (Robert) Kirkland's twin brother. Have to think Visiualize picked him up when he was a at rock bottom. If he is as saddistic as his brother i think it fits perfectly and i think Bob would agree. Take a look at this clip i found on a video on youtube of Bob and some guy in the hospital
http://youtu.be/VzDyGcBwJnU?t=2m16s
