Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Getting seriously fed up with the 'killjoys' who seem to be intent on slamming, bashing, criticizing and attempting to tear apart every theory on here using 'sarcasm' as their weapon of choice.

There isn't $1 million for the person who get's it right, and it's not a competition. There are also no 'awards' at the end for the contributor who tore down or 'broke' the most theories.

I don't give a shit if someone suspects Bruno Heller himself of being RJ. It is that person's right to theorize and post his theory here; without being made to feel 'stupid' simply because he/she has made a few grammatical errors (because English truly isn't their 1st language) , or doesn't quite get the symbolism; or god help them - they don't know the works of William Blake (mortal sin round here that....)

Judging from the intolerance levels; almighty shows of perceived superiority tripled with a desperate need for credit and attention round here; it wouldn't be out of place to assume that we have a few sociopaths amongst us. Perhaps one of the contributors here is RJ.

Live and let live. Theorize and let theorize.


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Theory #12951 • By GCW
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Could Bertram and McAllister be brothers?

Check out the photo in the comments. They look quite similar!

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Theory #12949 • By JonSlack
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This isn't a theory but a technical question. A couple months back I noticed something about Bertram from earlier in the series (perhaps from season 3). I didn't actually have him on the top of my list, but I wrote some comments anyway because there were some clues potentially pointing to him... And I can't for the life of me remember what I wrote, and because of how this site works I cannot seem to find my original comments. It's almost impossible to troll through all the comments on Bertram as it slows down my ipad/computer to the point that it hardly functions. On top of that, something must have gone wrong with my "username" so I'm not actually sure who is said wrote the post.

Thanks in advance!

Jon

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Ok, this is more a few questions to discuss rather than a theory.

In Jane's flashbacks I noticed a few interesting things.

Check out the photo's in the comment section.

Firstly you'll notice that Haffner changes places on the couch when PJ walks the three Tyger Tyger people over to the wall.

Why would he do this? Maybe he knew where the explosion would be and knew he would be protected from the blast in that spot?

Secondly, McAllister appears to be holding something in his hand. A trigger perhaps?

What do you guys think?

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This isn't much of a theory just stuff I was thinking about...

Don't you find curious that Stiles was shown pouring blood over some girls and then "drawing" on their faces? That has to mean something, otherwise it would be pointless to even show it. 
I do believe that most of those who were in PJ's house are not dead. We never really see anyone die and there's much more to be explored, whether it's who placed the bomb and why Stiles (was it him that shouted?) yelled something before the blast. 

I don't know if you guys have read or at least know Agatha Christie's book "And Then There Were None". The whole plot is pretty much 10 people stranded on an island and "judged" by an unknown voice, assumed to be the house's owner. The thing is, they all die and we don't get an answer until the very end. (So sorry if I ruined the book, but it's necessary) Turns out that the killer is one of the characters that died in the middle of the plot. He carefully prepared everything to go out as he wanted, leading the police to think it was an impossible scenario. 
Partridge "dies" right at the beginning of the season, giving out an important clue. I wouldn't be impressed to see him cheat death, knowing exactly how to "act" as a corpse. We all know Red John has contacts, which would explain why his autopsy is written. The dead body we saw recently might not even be his.

I also think Red John might be an old member of Visualize, meaning that Stiles (is..) or knows exactly who it is. He claims he has more reasons than the FBI waiting for him to miss the meeting with Jane. Maybe he knew exactly what he was going into. 

After reading a ton of theories, I think my picks (for now) are McAllister and Partridge. I don't see Bertram or Reede as Red John, even though they are definitely involved with him. 

P.S: Isn't it just really messed up that Ron shows up in almost every episode in the background or saying something? He may not be in Jane's list, but you gotta admit it's weird and it can't be just because!



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What makes the best 'payoff,' and what 'rewards' as a viewer would we like to see in this last red john episode? for starters, i hope we get just a bit more on the visualize connection.

i don't need much more detail on the blake association. the way reede smith indicated that members 'never know' who is contacting them, and just do what is asked, makes the blake association the perfect tool for red john to influence people and do favors -- whether a member or not. for example, he could contact a law officer he knows is a member, have them 'erase' the problems of a potential disciple, and therefore have another tool at his disposal. all red john had to do was find out about the organization and its codeword/workings -- not be a member. regardless of who is revealed to be red john, the 10 year killing gap can be explained not as a gap in killing, but simply a gap in revealed evidence. red john could have been using the association to cover his tracks in that period, until either a falling out or a swell of pride made him more likely to reveal his victims.

i feel like the most feasible final 3 at this point are bertram, haffner, and mcallister. 

bertram: if he ends up being red john, 1 'payoff' is that he 'played dumb' about poker, which would show his powers of deceit. he quoted a blake line. another payoff would be how red john has tried to get patrick 'on his side.' revealed as red john, bertram has the satisfaction of saying something to the effect, 'see, patrick? you've been working for me all along." the single biggest reason i don't think it can be bertram is that patrick gave his name to the press/authorities. jane has always said he wants red john for himself. and i feel like the 'you've been working for me all along' thing is a bit cliched.

mcallister: if the sheriff is red john, we get to marvel at how he was able to anticipate jane's moves in order to lose every time at rock/paper/scissors. we get vindication for the creepy factor he exuded when approaching van pelt in episode 2 season 1, and his eerie discussion about hunting in episode 3 season 6. he can gloat about saving patrick at least twice. and we get the 'zombie twist' of having been told he was dead, only to see him rise on the third day and hide easter eggs. wait, that's somebody else...i guess i ultimately have less of a problem with his reveal as red john than i would with bertram, but i still have a gut feeling that maybe those early circulating pics of nick nordella were jumped on by mcallister proponents, and ignored by fans of haffner, whom he could also portray.

haffner: if ray is red john, we'll probably get a clear visualize connection. he fits the physical description (whether you believe rosalind harker or not). he has the surveillance experience to have been a step ahead of patrick and APPEAR smarter than he really is. his 'i was willing to work with you on this' line after being fired in season 4 can have symbolic implications of red john trying to get jane on his side. if even remotely intelligent, his experience watching stiles would provide haffner some of the skills necessary to further learn how to manipulate people. he's demonstrated the conceit and self-centered nature a serial killer would need. and his reveal would give the show the final 'twist' of not only the 'resurrection,' but the fact that he somehow planted the tattoo evidence with the private investigator, which feels more like a red john to me. big negatives against him being red john include seeming to be dead in the explosion, not being there from season 1, and not having the perceived gravitas of xander berkeley.

i'll be happy with either a haffner or mcallister red john reveal, though i feel that haffner gives the biggest jolt at this point. whichever suspect it is, i've had fun on the site. musing about theories was a fun way to explore the show's 'world' while waiting for the next episode.

i hope patrick jane kills red john, and paints a smiley face with a big 'X' through it. what do you hope to see in the last red john episode? 

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My MentalTwist Exegesis.

Jane knows he has been bugged and spied on in cbi. He used this to his advantage. Jane made two list. Both were fake . Kirkland takes the first one and red john knows this because of his people in the fbi. Red john thru spying with moles, and wire taps found out about janes other list.(who knows how) Jane purposively put on the list names of men he did not shake hands with as a trap. Or at least a few fake names. Jane knew rj would feast his eyes or ears on the second list so he faked it knowing this would reveal how rj got it. Revealing his identity to jane only. The first list was a trick. Making the second list look like the truth but there both tricks basically.

Red john thinks he's one step ahead because he believes he is watching jane plant a decoy and keep the real list when in reality jane is pulling a double move . Red john wants tiger tiger dealt with and uses jane to do so. Red john then plants the info for jane with Sophie miller . The info was descriptions of the tiger tiger members different neuroses. Jane knows this . Rj does not know jane knows this. Jane gathers the people on the list . Jane fakes macalister, styles , and haffners death to lower the list to two. Jane knows red john is waiting till the end to make his move ;) Reed smith is taken in and deemed not red john . Bertram is janes checkmate . This forces red johns hand for obvious egotistical reasons. Red john thinks jane believes its Bertram. Jane knows better . Next episode jane will decode the usb and find a secret tiger tiger safe meet up point at the church. Red john shows up after jane shoots Bertram. Jane chases him to the park. The rest is history.
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