Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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I've never really been a fan of Kirkland but now looking back, I realize they should have used Kevin Corrigan much more in the show! He is a great actor, naturally creepy, a 100x more charismatic and believable than McAllister. Mind you, everyone is more charismatic than him, except maybe Smith.

Anyway, after all the disappointments at least I got to know some great actors thanks to the show, like K. Corrigan, Reed Diamond or Jack Plotnick. I already knew Malcolm McDowell before. Bruno Heller is lazy and unimaginative but at least the actors never disappointed us.

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Every single episode has a color as name, RED was removed after the red john "death", however WHITE is the mix of all colors, so there must be RED somewhere in this episode!

PS: I didn't see any PROMO of white lines, can someone link me? 


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Seeing this website isn't down since RJ reveal, I might aswell share you a couple of thoughts I have on my mind.

There is a lot of things that bugs me about the 8th episode. Heck, with season 6 itself.
The whole thing seems to be very rushed in order to finish the RJ Saga as soon as possible and move on quickly.

Why is that? It's either
A) They didn't care anymore
B) They planned something else

As a writer, there's a few things a mystery show needs to have to be ''alright''.

1) A smart viewer MUST be able to discover the killer's identity
2) A killer with a background of 5 whole seasons must be a recurring character
3) You CAN'T take a random character that everybody forgot about and make him the killer

Thus, in the RJ case, you have these 3 problems. Prior to the 7 suspects list, who the hell remembered McAllister? And who remembered Reede Smith?

Well, somebody with a great memory, of course. But, I always find it odd when a list of suspect to be the main vilain has TWO characters who were only seen for one episode each. It doesn't sounds right to me.
Sure they made them come back for season 6, but it's clearly to trick people. Because before the 6th season, why would the writers CHOOSE an underdevelopped character to be the ultimate serial killer?

We clearly had NO CHANCE of guessing his identity before their name were mentionned on the list.

It was obvious that Smith wasn't Red John for almost everyone. And it was obvious to me that Sheriff wasn't Red John.
How is that even possible?

Again, prior the list, who were the prime suspects? I would expect names like

Brett Partridge
Walter Mashburn
Bob Kirkland (even though he appeared late on the show)
Bret Stiles
etc.

Characters that appeared a few times. And on those times, you could think to yourself «Maybe he IS the killer...»
These thought probably never crossed your head when thinking about McAllister because he was absent for 5 long seasons.

I never had any doubt about Berkley portraying a sadistic psychopath. He's an awesome actor. I just have a ton of doubts about the relevance of the character itself. Xander could have been cast for another recurring role who would have been an amazing RJ suspect. And in the end, I would've been happy if it was him.
It's the sheriff character that bugs me. Simply because he hasn't appeared since ages and prior the list, we had NO CLUES or NO HINTS that could lead us to believe that McAllister was Red John.
Get it?

My guess is (thumbs down are coming) that he is simply not Red John.
The longer the mystery lasts, the bigger the twist must be. Bringing back a long forgotten character and making him the killer is NOT a twist. It's terrible writting.
Almost as laughable as Bertram's death. Really. WORST. DEATH. EVER.
It's almost as bad as Talia's death in the 3rd Batman movie.

This season, and the 8th episode in particular, seems truly rushed and hints at the laziness of the writers. I just don't want to believe that Heller and his team suddenly became all retarded and forgot how to write.
He is planning something.

RJ has followers that would die for him. Wouldn't be too surprising if Thomas took the blame for RJ's murder.
RJ always wanted to retire. Red John gave Patrick a list of suspects, tricking him into believing he was one of them. In the end, Jane kills his final suspect, thinking he has finally got rid of his arch enemy.
RJ can now retire, peacefully, Jane no longer chasing him because he thinks he killed him.

Just before he dies, RJ paints his Smile Logo somewhere. Jane sees it and understand he killed the wrong person. The FBI believe it's a hoax.
Jane meets the real RJ and explains him everything, all the clues/hints. RJ dies of sickness or natural cause and Jane is forever haunted by the fact he didn't really solve the mystery and he didn't kill the real RJ.
Thus, the fight between those never comes to an end because death divided them.

Red John, the arch enemy that *got away*.
A dark victory. Victory because he is dead and he won't hurt anymore. But dark because Jane didn't get the pleasure of killing the man and feels worthless for not solving the case.

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This is why I think Sheriff cannot be Red John. There are so many theories that would have been far better than the 8th episode. RJ-PJ was all about a mind chess game, and in the end, it turned into a chase in the park with no explaination, foreshadow or whatsoever. Doesn't compute.

So my hypothesis:

A) They didn't care anymore
B) Sheriff is NOT Red John
C) Writers suddenly lose all their talent
D) I'm stupid

Pick your choice. I'd go with B).

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I'm Red John and I find this offensive.

This website turned into a little girzz fight club, seriously. Stop. You look like a boyband fans rather than The Mentalist fans.


P.S. Your posts suck more than the episode 8 itself.

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Theory #16676 • By Redjohntradamus
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hi guys. U guys need to stop hating on stoopkid. he has some of the best mind bending theories. he has opened my eyes. Haters can hate but stoop u keep
making the best theories.

Here's a clue. Derek logan redrigsby. Open ur eyes people. Mcallister is not redjohn and rigsby is leaving? Why? Jane has got him! Stoop u are awesome. Let haters leave.
i think van pelt is important piece to everything. Remember when sheriff is tackled by rigsby? He protected redpelt. she could be the stronger red partner.

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DO YOU THINK MCALLISTER COULD BE THE ONE WHO INDEED KILLED JANE'S FAMILY -- BUT IS NOT THE MASTERMIND WHO ORDERED IT?

RJ is someone who keeps his hands clean and enlists other to do the dirty work 

AND, if you practiced mind control and hypnosis, being a superior mentalist, as RJ surely does and is -- McAllister would be a great subject to USE as a killer since he's a hunter who cuts up living creatures no problem.

So, it's perfect that McAllister is BOTH the one who killed Jane's family, and yet not RJ -- because it would make sense for Jane to exact revenge on him -- and yet, also EXPLAIN why so many of us don't believe McAllister was RJ.  We believe he was telling the truth when he said "I'm not RJ"

McAllister, I think, was only RJ mind controlled henchman -- which will justify in the end that he was killed when we find out who the real RJ really is.  

CHECK OUT:  SEASON ONE EPISODE 18 -- Russet Potatoes -- WHERE WOMAN HYPNOTIZES MEN TO KILL FOR HER -- I think THIS was A CLUE ABOUT RJ!!!  The female killer also hypnotized Rigsby, too!

I think the List of 7 included several that RJ used, if not all -- and certainly some RJ wanted to get rid of.

RJ has always been one step ahead of PJ -- So HOW WOULD PJ get the upper hand enough to be one step of RJ?  

Jane would HAVE to play along, play it straight, let RJ think his "plan" had worked -- and it would take a long time to convince RJ that PJ had given it all up....w
hich is EXACTLY what Jane is doing now...Jane probably KNEW Agent Fisher was who she was -- and was waiting for RJ to make a next move -- letting RJ think the manipulation was working

NO doubt in my mind that Jane knows McAllister is RJ henchman -- which explains to me WHY he took it all so seriously [in the first lame 8 episodes] -- and yet -- also finally explains to me why we the viewers know something is still off.... Jane is still hunting RJ




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Could the episode "White Lines" be the lines on those things in hospitals and it is Patrick Jane waking up from a coma after the explosion with all the "Red John" suspects. I doubt it, but that would be cool.

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