Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister Reede Smith
Reede Smith Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Do we know if Red John was only a member of Visualize when he was young in the 80s or if he was in the cult even as a 'grown up'? 
I don't know why but I always thought Red John had some kind of respect for Bret Stiles especially if he was still in Visualize and that he would never kill his 'guru'. But McAllister didn't even care about killing him for a second. Maybe I'm too sentimental because in my mind even if RJ is a psycho, he wouldn't kill the person who helped him so much in the past that easily.:D 

So either: Red John is not McAllister and/or Bret Stiles is alive, or: he was McAllister, Bret Stiles is dead and this is just one of the million things that we didn't get an explanation for..I hope it's the first option. I want Bret Stiles to be alive so much!:)

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He ho ha he he ha ho ho ho ha he ha ha ha, (What does the joker say ?)

McAllister is RJ.
Storyline are not always what the producers expected it to be.
Money, boss, ... It would not be the first TV show to be fucked up cuz of various things.
BH didnt even know who could be RJ at the beginning. Its a the best way to badly end a TV show.
I think they are trying to make it new. If ppl likes the new Janes the tv show will continue, If not, maybe we will have a new RJ or the show will end like crap.

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Hi everyone,

I really don't know who the god damn f**k is RJ.
What i'm sure of is that MacAllister is not RJ. BH is fooling/trolling us. As you prefer.
RJ always have at least one step ahead PJ. It is something that everybody noticed for sure. RJ is far smarter than everybody. It's obvious that MacAllister doesn't fit at all to the RJ's profile. Like if a mastermind as RJ would show up like this for no reason in front of Jane. RJ doesn't want to kill PJ, if he wanted to, it would be over for PJ a long time ago. He is playing with him.
According to me, RJ is smarter enough to not get any closer or PJ like the suspects. He knows that PJ is skilled, he can't take this risk.
I don't even know if RJ get involved in any murder. He is the king, like in chess. He give orders and the others act. He will not get involved, only if he has no choice.
As a psychopat anyway, RJ should not have resist to the pleasure of meeting personally PJ once to taunt him. It is the real RJ's power. Must be someone who met PJ and did a smile to him while he was shaking his hand. Someone just transparent, unsuspected.
In my opinion, PJ will never know who RJ is.
In my opinion, the last picture of the TV show will be the face of RJ.
In my opinion, RJ is just a sociopath who found a challenger in PJ. He has no grief with PJ, he just want to play with somebody he think at his mind level. What a serial killer wants is to get caught.
Some none sense :
RJ can't be someone of the CBI. Like if RJ could have anticipate that PJ would join CBI and the team we all know.
What i don't understand is why Van Pelt and Rigsby are excluded from the RJ's after killing history. This part is still fucking up my mind.
The secret organisation of which RJ would be a part of it sounds like crap to me. Another trick i guess, to confuse spectators.
I have no clue of who could be RJ and that's killing me. None of the suspects ( the remaining in the PJ's list ) could be RJ. They just don't fit.
RJ is a low profile, a challenger who just want to demonstrate he is the master who fool everyone he want since he is smarter than everyone.



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1. Sheriff was no the Red John.
2. The important part happens during the two years ( missing since the sheriff's death)
3. Jane kills the sheriff and allows the others to believe it's over, so he can go after the real Red John. It takes some time to track him , infliltrate his surroundings, and perform his biggest act yet - taking everything he has. His memories, his personality , and his powers - leaving him a mental wreck - the guy who you've seen sitting at the bar on the beach - Roger. Even if he didn't look exactly like Stiles, that's what happens if you take someone's persona and the spark in the eyes away - the most grandious performance of Jane's life. Patrick Jane is a Monster.

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I just watched "the red headed stepchild" from season 4 i think.
Its the one about prison and rigsbys dad.

Now i could care less if you disagree but this episode proves to ME that Rigsby is red john.
When Mr Rigsby uses his knife you see wayne's eyes just crumble.
Wayne Rigsby was majorily abused by his dad and most likely made all life decisions to be nothing like his dad . But you know how that goes ? He is prob just like his crazy ass dad deep inside.

The other thing that seemed to stand out was when MR Rigsby said "weakness is in the eyes boy"
Wayne made a face like he has heard that 1000 times before. I immediately thought about the rj smiley face and how it bleeds from the eyes.

Jane's elaborate plan was to get cbi shutdown. The only reason red john has been one step ahead is because he is Rigsby or Rigsby is one hell of an accomplice .
Jane has not moved on at all. He is playing a con and its almost completed .
He wanted Lisbon and cho by his side and wanted Rigsby and van pelt far away.

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I have posted this theory already [and so have a few others now] so it's hardly new, but I notice there are still many posting about their confusion over whether RJ is dead or alive.  Understandable!  

But just wanted to say that I felt much better about the first eight episodes and the show in general after I realized that seeing the situation in either black [RJ's dead] or white [RJ's alive] -- is the problem, it causes confusion and disappointment, because we have been led to believe that McAllister is Red John, but we know that this defies logic, as well as many clues.

Thus, a new answer is needed to make both arguments work -- and that is that RJ is BOTH dead and alive.

The man who killed Jane's family IS DEAD [McAllister, an RJ henchman] -- thus Jane's killing of McAllister will be justified, and yet the person who ordered this killing is ALIVE [RJ, the mastermind], and so the show continues, as we do not know who this is quite yet.  The reason we do not have any resolution to clues is because only RJ the mastermind holds those. 

RJ is one brain with many tentacles. This really is the ONLY WAY everything works together and it all makes sense.  Think about any good mystery you've ever seen....getting toward the heart of it, it's always the henchman you find first.  Any leader has foot soldiers.  We are only mid-season, so get ready.

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Ok, in 06x03, Patrick noted that the sheriff was afraid of birds.
In 06x08, the shit episode, Patrick said he was disappointed that he was not expecting the red john were Sheriff Thomas McAllistar.
So, if was not expected, why he brought the pidgey to scare "Red John"?
In my opinion , he knew that were 2 explosions, he knew that sheriff was alive and brought the pidgey, but, if he knew that Bret Partridge faked DNA infos, he could do the same thing for Haffner and Stiles, and , in 06x06 Jane looked at McAllistar's eyes when he says "I'm not Red John" . C'moon Patrick can see when  everyone is lying, why he didnt shoot in that time?


Sorry for my bad english, and i hope Red John's story has not done yet!

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