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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Theory #17066 • By Seanmulvs
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With all these mind games being played, I feel a psychiatrist is more likely the person behind Red John. Dr. Linus Wagner could be experimenting with people. He is like those sophisticated people who feel better than poor people. Nietzsche once wrote that psychiatrists separate themselves from the human race. His last name could be paying homage to Nietzsche contra Wagner.  Dr. Wagner wants to see Jane do something unpredictable, so he sends McAllister after his wife & daughter.  Jane reacts exactly as the Doctor expected.  He finds William Blake to be sophisticated.  Despite the good intentions of the doctor, he feels the need to socialize - to make him feel good.  He finds his self (inner character) to have human desire, although he differentiates himself from regular humans.  He makes the Blake Association, because he wants to delve into this relationship that he has found between himself and ordinary humans.  He found Blake and Nietzsche were communicating sophistry, in writings.  Red John was supposedly a sadist.  Perhaps the doctor was studying libidos.  He wants to be caged, so he can see what being domesticated feels like.  Jane is too busy to notice who is behind the Blake Association; Jane just wants to kill Red John.  Dr. Wagner tried to take responsibility for Red John, but Jane knew it was somebody else.  Jane doesn't care about why Red John killed his family.  Dr. Wagner wants to see Jane be domesticated, but Jane is resisting.  He doesn't shave. he wear wrinkled shirts.  Wagner just hopes that he is able to be objective, because he believes that is what Nietzsche wrote is the way of psychiatrists.  Wagner has been studying humans this entire time. He intends to keep on studying his primal urges, while he is in prison.  He wants to feel more human.  He wants to experience a human all too human feeling - which he ascribes to greed or selfishness (subjectivity).  Hence, he call himself Wagner - inspired by Nietzsche who wrote "Nietzsche contra Wagner" & Dr. Wagner is a psychiatrist who wants to be subjective - rather than Nietzsche's preferred objectivity.

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Hi,
Just wanting to point things out (and also hoping for a better sequel to RJ's fall) :
(" The Tiger", William Blake, 1794)

5th and 6th stanzas :
In what distant deeps or skies
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
-->  episode # 9 : "My Blue heaven"

7th and 8th stanzas :
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand dare seize the fire?

--> episode # 10 : "Green thumb"

9th and 10th stanzas :
And What shoulder, and what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?

--> episode # 11 : "White lines"

13th and 14th stanzas :
What the hammer? what the chain?
In what furnace was thy brain?
--> episode # 12 : "Golden Hammer"

 
17th stanza :
When the stars threw down their spears,
--> episode # 13 :"Black Helicopters"

18th stanza :
And watered heaven with their tears,
--> episode # 14 :"Grey water"

20th stanza :
Did he who made the lamb make thee?
--> episode # 15 : "As White as the Driven Snow"

(may be - or not - related to the nursery : "Mary had a little lamb, whose fleece was white as snow", Sarah Josepha Hale, 1830s).



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hi mentalist fans, (reposting because myusername was misspelled) :) thanks. 

just connecting with everyone again and wanted to share something.
i truly believe as many of us do that the red johnsaga is not over.
there are so many fascinating theories on this site and i truly enjoy reading them! especially since the last episodes have "seemed" rather boring and pointless without rj or our much desired flashbacks and explanations....
so we all have our preference as to who would make the most exciting, nefarious, compelling red john...which is cool. you can see from my name who i love as red john ;-D and i still believe 100% that haffner is red john. and that stiles and visualize play a major part in rj's storyline. 

what i find exceedingly important is the title of the most disappointing episode "my blue heaven." because "blue heaven" is slang/street name for the drug LSD!! a hallucinogenic drug...*****************
just sayin i believe this to be a vital clue from heller that the blue heaven episode and all others eppys since then are a hallucination of jane's. i cant even express how much i hope this to be true and believe it is true. 

plus jane's 'blue' tea cup broke...could be a clue...

i feel that we still have yet to see what took place inside jane's where the suspects were gathered and it is yet to be revealed who is still alive and who is actually dead. the sheriff is red john episode was a joke...the whole thing was the absolute worst. so, if heller is as good as i think he is and has been for most of the series, i believe we are in for the most exciting reveal and confrontation that we've been hoping for! Just being optimistic and hoping for a satisfying final rj reveal and personally i still believe red john is ray haffner! 

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hi mentalist fans,
just connecting with everyone again and wanted to share something.
i truly believe as many of us do that the red johnsaga is not over.
there are so many fascinating theories on this site and i truly enjoy reading them! especially since the last episodes have "seemed" rather boring and pointless without rj or our much desired flashbacks and explanations....
so we all have our preference as to who would make the most exciting, nefarious, compelling red john...which is cool. you can see from my name who i love as red john ;-D and i still believe 100% that haffner is red john. and that stiles and visualize play a major part in rj's storyline. 

what i find exceedingly important is the title of the most disappointing episode "my blue heaven." because "blue heaven" is slang/street name for the drug LSD!! a hallucinogenic drug...*****************
just sayin i believe this to be a vital clue from heller that the blue heaven episode and all others eppys since then are a hallucination of jane's. i cant even express how much i hope this to be true and believe it is true. 

i feel that we still have yet to see what took place inside jane's where the suspects were gathered and it is yet to be revealed who is still alive and who is actually dead. that sheriff is red john episode was a joke...the whole thing was the absolute worst. so, if heller is as good as i think he is and has been f or most of the series, i believe we are in for the most exciting reveal and confrontation that we've been hoping for! Just being optimistic and hoping for a satisfying final rj reveal and personally i still believe red john is ray haffner!
i hope we all get a reveal very soon that we can be surprised and excited by so much so that we jump up and scream "yeah baby!!!!! wooo hoooo!!!!" at our tv's!! 

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A question more that a theory.

Do we accept that everything Bruno Heller has revealed publicly is valid, or is it more reasonable to believe that while some of the information is valid, some of it is most certainly misinformation.

I believe the latter.

It strikes me as odd, for example, that he would publicly confess to not settling on the identity of Red John until somewhere during Season 4 (or thereabouts) - even if this were true, what would the benefit be of revealing that?  Furthermore, does it make sense that he would have been clear on the existence of The Blake Association (and the role it would play), before knowing who Red John would be? (Tyger Tyger goes back to Season 2 if I'm not mistaken).

Maybe hope on my part, but RJ still feels like he's out there, I think he's Mashburn, but in any event, the first 8 episodes don't seem to hang even now.

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6x15 Haffner to Teresa and Grace: "There's a lot of powerful people that Jane's pissed off, not just Red John" 

Why do you guys he said that:

1. Haffner knew about the Blake association.

2. He said it because he cared about Lisbon and wanted her to be safe.

3. There's something we don't know yet.

4. They just wanted us to suspect more about that he was RJ.

Here are things I'd like them to explain:

1. Who was really McAllister and how he started the Blake association.
2.McAllister controlled the BA. So why did he recitate the poem to Jane? what did he want to        get doing so?
3.Why did Bob Kirkland kill Lennon without asking him for RJ?
4. The list.
5. Why didn't RJ kill Lisbon? I don't buy that the pigeons interrupted him. Ridiculous.
6. In which way were RJ and Visualize related?

Every explanation/comment will be appreciated. Sorry for my english, not my first language.

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Theory #17060 • By Seanmulvs
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Hilzyyyy: " It would be disappointing,but Reede Smith's name is a little bit more than "very similar"if somebody does'nt know (Roy Tagliaferro is the principal alias of Red John. The most common translation of Italian surname Tagliaferro is iron-cutter, word to word it would be cut-iron (Cutiron).But another translation of Tagliaferro is ... smith (short form of "blacksmith"), so Roy Tagliaferro could be translated in english into Red Smith. Also if you change the order of the letters of his name (Reede Smith) you can get "The Red Is Me". Also it's been noticed that his name could be derived from 'Reed' which also means 'Red' so Red John's name would be Reed(e) Smith.Also...He kinda looks too obvious,as red john's actor said,he thought he was just red herring."  
I think "The Red is Me" is a symbol of Smith's position.  As FBI, Smith is powerful.  Cho clashed with Smith and Mancini - over disrespecting Cho's superior.  The FBI is ranked above the CBI, and Smith is a tool - for Red John.  His name is suspicious, but he is too young.  However, McAllister is old enough.  The first killing happened on a Visualize farm.  Visualize seems like a group that a psychiatrist would join - because they have in depth (spiritual) gatherings.  You can learn about yourself - which could appeal to Wagner.  You can get : grim dawn red sun (extra 'L") from Dr. Linus Wagner,MD. 
Classical Mythology Linus is             a musician and poet, the inventor of melody and rhythm, of whom various stories are told: often  identified, through his untimely death, with the harvesting or withering of crops and vegetation.b.Also called Linus song. a dirge: originally sung in western Asia to mourn the death of crops being harvested, later sung to mourn the death of Linus or that of Adonis.  Linus is the doctor who started killing on the Visualize farm - back in 1988.  Linus is the Non-Existent Self-Proclaimed Pagan God of the cult Linii. Has the powers to bestow jobs onto members of his cult, making them carry out sacred duties and occult practices. These duties include giving Linus handjobs, blowjobs, getting F8$ked by Linus among other things. These divine practices are sacramental and must be carried out with pride. Any member of the Linii refusing these duties would be punished severely by blasphemous acts such as getting circumcised and castrated. He would then be raped and F8$ked in the ass before having his body seared with the holy cleansing flame. Finally, necrophilia and bukkake will be performed on his blazing corpse as the life force slowly seeps out of the zealot. Such is the punishment of one who offends Linus.Example 1: 
Adaptation of Julius Caesar, a play by Shakespeare 
Calpurnia: "I doth fear greatly for my lord’s safety. O Mighty Linus, I prithee, protect Caesar, O Caesar, thy pride beest thy downfall"

Example 2: 
Member of Linii: "O Mighty and Omnipotent Linus, grant me theLibido to last for 29 minutes. As I pray, provide me the sex drive I desire."
Red John like to tie up women for sexual pleasure.  Wagner is in prison, and he could make people his prison bitch - just like Linus.  He is making his army stronger than ever by making people (in prison) his prison bitch.  Dr. Linii Wagner MD can spell out id glad winner rim.  Rim is known as a circular like a group of followers ( a circle of friends has a rim). Id is reference to psychiatry and his psyche.  Glad is complacency and is modifying winner.  Linii is followers of Linus.  It could mean that only the followers of Linus are truly happy.  It sounds cultish, and that is exactly what Visualize is.  Red John's first kills were on a Visualize farm (back in 1988).  

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