The latest theories about Red John's identity (page 1480)

This post is to show the two comparisons of when Rigsby was under hypnosis and when i believe Macalister was under hypnosis.

Rigsby: jane took him to a playground because jane knows wayne had a very very disturbing childhood.
Rigsby was fine until his FEAR was brought to the surface.
He started crying , shaking, and basically flipping out . And what did he do ? He ran like the wind almost getting hit by a car. Fight or flight type deal.

Macalister : was afraid of birds but NOT THAT AFRAID! Under hypnosis it made him for subjugated to his fear . Jane knew all of this. So what does Macalister do instead of grab corderas gun? He runs! He almost gets hit by a car, joggers, glass windows etc. If you look closely his eyes were dilated just like jane said people under hypnosis should be . Jane wasnt happy after killing him. Completely different from carter. Jane knows whats going on.....

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"on what wings dare he aspire" refers to the tiger's appearance to a human. It delves into romanticism on the intellectual level. Respectively, it isn't an animal, but it is the thoughts about animals. Its about a hunter's ambition to kill rather than capture an animal (the tiger). The person responsible for Red John murders is interested in killing rather than capturing humans. He seems to be thinking he is above everybody. A sheriff may get excited about being powerful, but it seems awkward. Police don't remind of someone that thinks they are better than others. However, some police use power to get what they want. My top choices for who is into creating the Blake Association is a psychiatrist or police officer. These two occupations are interested in helping society. In fact law enforcement captures people, so Tiger, Tiger seems separate from police work - which takes my suspicion to psychiatrist. He is busy helping people with their problems, but he doesn't work on his own. He is selfless to the point that he needs to be considered a hero. However, there is no "pat" on his back. Wagner was helping children in Africa, there was never any personal time for him. He knows he is depraved, so he finds some comfortable way to set himself up in prison (on deathrow). Any admission of guilt is just covered by the fact that he has killed, and he framed Red John.
Distant [deeps] refers to depth of one's spirit, and skies refers to heights of spirituality. Distant [deeps] is referring to the depravity reflected on by a hunter - who is hunting (rather than capturing). People find depth to be desirable in a person, because it resembles morals. The more pain you can feel the more human you are. its as if "deeps" is feeling more human (than human). Adding "distant" to "deeps" makes a stark contrast to feeling human. Red John is a person that is aware of the immorality of his killing. He has values, but they are "distant deeps". Red John could have killed Jane, but he probably wants to get caught. His morality is catching up with him. Jane's story is appealing, even to Red John.
"Dare frame thy fearful symmetry" is the hunter communicating to himself, while hunting. It speaks to the mind processing the fact that the hunter is a killer, and the hunt is for sport. Basically, killing (instead of capturing) the tiger is victory, and the hunter is keeping himself involved. Blake makes reference to the morality one deals with, when mentioning that the same creator of the lamb made thee. The hunter thinks about letting the tiger live, but he decides to continue the hunt. This is a deep character, I find it perplexing. Mcallister seems easy to read. A psychiatrist is much more complex; they have walls that they build to separate themselves from feeling - developed through years of attempting to be purely scientific. A psychiatrist must relate to patients, and maintain objectivity - as professionals. Wagner rather be remembered as a doctor that helped people - thats why he told Jane the reason he stole the money. Any serial killer wants to be caught, and Wagner is no different. Red John wants to surrender; its his humanity. Wagner got caught, and he can continue to kill. He can be let out, because he is friends with police. He can run the prison from inside. Jane is not likely to be able to get to him, while he is on death row.

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If you look at the cast of the latest episodes, Rigsby and Van Pelt were listed with a "(Credits only)" sign after their names, but in the upcoming episode The Golden Hammer, the "credits only" sign is absent, which means that they will have roles in the episode. Also there usually is a tiny description of the episode before it airs, while there is none for the this upcoming one........hmmmMark my words; there is a surprise coming up!

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I’ve argued in a number of postings that I do not believe what is going on in the current reboot is real. I have suggested why I believe this, i.e. the lack of logic of the story line post S6E7. Issues: how could the FBI close down the CBI? The CBI (if it existed) would have been established by California state law. The FBI could have come in an arrested all CBI employees (if it were able to get a court order to do so) but it would never have been able to get a court order to close the CBI. The CBI is a state agency whose existence is based on that state’s legislative power. That ability simply does not exist under US constitutional system. If Lisbon, Chou, etc. were out of a job (fired), they would also be in jail or on trial. They would not be working other jobs (and certainly not FBI agents). If the story line was that they were fired or quite, that would be logical, not that their jobs were abolished. Also, the FBI is a bureaucracy and follows rules. Chou had to go through agent training before he is an actual FBI agent, Lisbon would have to do the same. I agree that none of the FBI personnel appear to be “fleshed out;” they seem like stock characters that have been introduced and intentionally not developed. This might be a timing issue (S6E11 could be argued that the writers are doing so with Fischer but we then need to believe that the story is really post-RJ and the writers are pushing the triangle story line).If this is all in PJ’s mind as a result of the blast, it’s his delusion.

One last thought: there was a discussion of what type of woman is PJ’s type of woman. If this is his delusion, one could argue that Markham is his type of woman because she was a criminal and PJ recognized her as such. His decision to expose her does not take away from his attraction to her. PJ’s wife certainly understood he was a conman/criminal. If he is delusional would he not reveal his true self?

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So, with this "New Beginning" -- how will the series end? A Jibson wedding? LOL Yeah, that's not happening.

Here's the extent of your "new show"

New office
New town
New tea cup

THAT'S IT...

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I am starting to see where people are coming from when they express dislike for the "new" show.
It all seems rushed awkward and flat out odd. Fisher is a robot, very Gvp-like. Wylie goes from not knowing how to speak to calling shots and calling cho like they are bffs. Nothing has been explained or even talked about from two years ago. Visualize , janes house, red john, etc have not been even brushed upon.

The main reason why i don't mind all the new weird stuff is that i know its temporary.
Its all gonna fall apart and cbi will reopen for business .
Jane is using the fbi and vise versa. It wont end well.
Rocks will be turned and heads will roll.
Jane demands means janes got plans. And i think its more than just going back to work and seeing lisbon.

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Theory #17066 • By Seanmulvs

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With all these mind games being played, I feel a psychiatrist is more likely the person behind Red John. Dr. Linus Wagner could be experimenting with people. He is like those sophisticated people who feel better than poor people. Nietzsche once wrote that psychiatrists separate themselves from the human race. His last name could be paying homage to Nietzsche contra Wagner. Dr. Wagner wants to see Jane do something unpredictable, so he sends McAllister after his wife & daughter. Jane reacts exactly as the Doctor expected. He finds William Blake to be sophisticated. Despite the good intentions of the doctor, he feels the need to socialize - to make him feel good. He finds his self (inner character) to have human desire, although he differentiates himself from regular humans. He makes the Blake Association, because he wants to delve into this relationship that he has found between himself and ordinary humans. He found Blake and Nietzsche were communicating sophistry, in writings. Red John was supposedly a sadist. Perhaps the doctor was studying libidos. He wants to be caged, so he can see what being domesticated feels like. Jane is too busy to notice who is behind the Blake Association; Jane just wants to kill Red John. Dr. Wagner tried to take responsibility for Red John, but Jane knew it was somebody else. Jane doesn't care about why Red John killed his family. Dr. Wagner wants to see Jane be domesticated, but Jane is resisting. He doesn't shave. he wear wrinkled shirts. Wagner just hopes that he is able to be objective, because he believes that is what Nietzsche wrote is the way of psychiatrists. Wagner has been studying humans this entire time. He intends to keep on studying his primal urges, while he is in prison. He wants to feel more human. He wants to experience a human all too human feeling - which he ascribes to greed or selfishness (subjectivity). Hence, he call himself Wagner - inspired by Nietzsche who wrote "Nietzsche contra Wagner" & Dr. Wagner is a psychiatrist who wants to be subjective - rather than Nietzsche's preferred objectivity.

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