Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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At the visualize farm we know from "Red Barn",  two red headed women kill a member of Visualize.  According to the killer's story, her mother was being attacked.  The daughter killed a man, in self defense.  Mysteriously another murder was occuring; in fact, two murders were supposedly happening.  
I suspect that there were no other murders happening.  McAllister was called in as a friend by the mother of the shooter.  She needed police assistance.  She didn't want her daughter to go to jail, so she gets McAllister to help her out.  McAllister might be her ex-boyfriend or the girl's father.

McAllister shows up and gets rid of any witnesses.  However, one witness escapes (mysteriously).  Only people familiar with the farm knew about the underground room.  The mother knew about the room, and we know she did.  In the story, the daughter reveals that her mother knew about the room - since she had been out there (before).  

In order to track down this alleged witness, McAllister left an ensign.  He draws a smiley face in blood to make a trademark.  He plans on getting some publicity, so he can intercept the witness.  If the story got to the press, the surviving witness could come forward.  When he or she came forward, McAllister would be able to intercept the witness.  He would use his police badge to get information from other officers.

Since the attempt was unsuccessful, he needed to murder again.  He planned on luring out that witness, because he didn't want to be blackmailed nor arrested.  Truthfully, Visualize could have been blackmailing McAllister, but it is unlikely.  More murders meant the surviving witness could come forward, and he or she could solve the case.  More murders were a way for Red John/McAlister to try to get info about the surviving witness to his murders.

The reason for the victims being red headed is simple.  The girl who did the original murder was red headed, and her mother was red headed (or are red headed).  McAllister wanted to stimulate the witnesses memory of the events from that night, so they would come forward with his or her testimony - which could put McAllister in prison.

If Mcallister did get backmailed, the blake association could be a group of police officers being blackmailed.  McAllister could be a "drop", in the bucket.  However, there aren't a lot of criminal law enforcement, even though the B A  is a large organization.  It seems unlikely that many police would be a part of it, but they could be bribed.  Timothy Carter had a "slave" locked up, in his basement.  If she was pimped out to politicians, judges, police, or FBI , those "johns" could be blackmailed.  Red John might be a name chosen for being one of many "johns".

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Guy, when you watch the Mentalist season 6 Episode 7, Jane is in the Church, watching and analyzing the place, and planning his attack on BA and Red John or on BA or Red John.

I am sure there has to be a lot of things Missing. Bruno Heller just cant make this without explanation, no one watches movies to conclude things without conclusion. 

Millions of Dollars spent on this show for this?

I am sure there is a lot to be exposed, one of them is that Red John Hypnotized Mcalister ect. And I think Red-John is Bret Stiles.

Bret Stiles is the only one who has the requirments to do this.

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Can we all agree that there is a HUGE chance that RED JOHN was NOT at the bard in 1988?
This was only a huge assumption by us and the show. This changes our whole timeline. 

Red John started killing in 1997.
The media named him red john because he liked to red headed woman early on.
I say he started killing around 23-25 and would be around 33-38 right now

THIS WOULD BE DERICK LOGAN JOHN WAYNE RIGSBY
RAYOND HAFFNER 
BRETT PARTRIDGE 
GABE NYLAND- SAME CLASS AS LOGAN
MASHBURN BUT HE MAY BE 40ish

Red John is not a 48 year old balding sheriff 


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The biggest writing fail is the Kira Tinsley storyline along with the part that RJ has a tattoo.  It is so rushed and nonsensical.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KEpoGUfzt4 Listen carefully to that sound around 19-21s when smiley face appears. If i remember correct, that sound is played often when something with RJ is shown to us. Now rewatch last seconds of episode 6x08. That sound appears again, and a while later we are seeing back of a man with a child (also we hear creepy laugh and another weird sound).
Maybe that's the real RJ? Especially that episode is also named "Red John" :D.

- Jane still wears wedding ring,
- someone at this site pointed out titles of 4x13 and 6x13 (4x13 - Red Is The New Black, 6x13 -Black Helicopters),
and a lot other theories here supports the one that RJ is still alive!

The person who killed Ardiles could be RJ. Why no smiley face? Coz PJ and RJ now are fighting 1v1 to see, who is better. RJ started to killing old CBI members untill PJ catch him. Patrick is last on the list :).

Sorry for bad English!

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Omg i found something.
A very important ep is gvps first crazy bf that wanted to kill jane .
He is in the parking lot with a gun and cbi ron sees him looks at the gun then drives away!!!!

That ep was very important. "Bloodshot"
Jane tells gvp she had a traumatic experience in her past and it just so happens jane has a visual of a client he made commit suicide by lying to her .
He said her grandmother said she forgives her.
The lady who is a red head said "my grandmom was an evil lady!"
She committed suicide . Could this be graces relative that jane made commit suicide ?

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 WOULD RJ REALLY LET BERTRAM GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS BEING RED JOHN?  HELLO?!  McAllister plans a neat little double murder to get rid of Jane and Bertram -- seems logical at first -- RJ gets to go free, no one will ever know McAllister is RJ ----BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE PROBLEM WITH THAT --- the egomaniacal RJ we have come to know for 5 years doesn't like "cheap imitators."  No, the RJ we know is proud to be RJ and would not stand for very long to think his/her imagine had been tarnished by the likes of bad poker playing Bertram.  MAKES NO SENSE.

MORE ASSORTED QUESTIONS WITHOUT ANSWERS:

1. Why does Jane tell everyone about list?  Must be because he wanted them to know…WHY?




2. Why does Jane endanger his crew?  Must have thought they wouldn't really be in danger…WHY?



3. Tinsley said man who killed her had a tattoo…How did she know that?  Did she see this guy sleeveless prior to this -- did they go swimming together?  Sleep together?  Because average man isn't going around sleeveless.  Logic would dictate that BA would NOT want members exposing tattoos, anyway.  And I don't think killer showed up at her door wearing Chippendales outfit with leather gloves.  



4.  How do we know the man who hired Tinsley and the man who killed her are the same?  We don't!  She appears to know person at door but IS NOT happy to see them [not the usual response given by RJ associate who is always in love with RJ]



5How does Jane know RJ is the one who killed Tinsley?  Beating and strangling isn't usually his style, is it?  Where was his taser?  And he left her alive -- totally not RJ.  A gun/knife would have been quicker.  JANE TELLS THAT RED JOHN KILLED HER…WHY?



6.  How does Jane know RJ has a tattoo?  He says that Tinsley TOLD him RED JOHN had the tattoo -- WHEN???!!!  ALL I SAW was her showing tattoo markings, but nothing about RJ.  She never said RJ killed me, RJ has tattoo -- this is ALL inference from JANE.  



7.  Tinsley was hired by Visualize.  And if she wasn't, how did Jane know?  Or is RJ visualize?  Did we ever have any information about McAllister and Visualize?  Not that I can think of.



8.  MAN at Tinsley's door had HAIR, you can see it in the shadow cast on her door, and it looked either curly or tousled as if he had a good head of hair.  THIS IS NOT MCALLISTER who is supposedly RJ



9.   Jane figured out RJ was McAllister -- BUT HOW?  Because of WHAT?  He never tells us.   He only describes knowing about 2 bombs and switched DNA evidence, but WHY did he think it was McAllister over Haffner or Stiles -- because they could have done exact same thing with bomb and DNA, too?  And don't tell me STILES is dead. 


10.  And speaking of DNA -- if Partridge was BA and a master of switching DNA -- whose to say Partridge is really dead?  Now that everyone's keeping corpses on ice...



11.  Jane goes to the church with a PIGEON IN POCKET and previously taped a gun to pew.  Clearly, he's expecting McAllister.  BUT HOW DID JANE get passed CORDERO with a pigeon on his body when Cordero frisked him?  Was it in his undies?


12. Jane publicly announces that Bertram is RJ when HE KNEW he wasn't in order to trap McAllister -- but then surely, he also knew what McAllister would try to do later -- get rid of Jane and Bertram together, wrapping it up nicely. 
 
So WHY ASK McAllister in church why Bertram had to die??!!  THAT is a question JANE ALREADY KNOWS ANSWER TO!  What did Jane think was going to happen?  With Bertram on the run for being RJ, he could have been shot and killed at ANY time.   Obviously, Jane used Bertram and really didn't care that Bertram was in danger.  Makes no sense.  In fact, 
Jane acts like he's reading from a script, like he already knows what's going to happen and he's baiting McAllister.

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WHY DOESN'T JANE WANT TO KNOW HOW MCALLISTER KNEW HIS LIST?  WHY?  Must be because he ALREADY knows HOW McAllister knows.  



14.  WTF with MRS. CARMEN LEE?  Another suspicious moment that they're not going to tell us about.  Lisbon acts like it's nothing.  Jane seems concerned.  Of course, Haffner walks in right after and it makes him look guilty as sin and then they play terrible ominous music the whole time he's visiting Lisbon [who just had dream of him knifing her].  
 We assume it's RJ or HAFFNER but I wouldn't put it past JANE to have set up the nurse to come in like that, god knows why

Haffner says, "Boy, they let anyone in her these days..." as if yet again another reference that he's some bad guy who is making a sick, tongue and cheek remarks to taunt Lisbon.  With all this set up against Haffner -- I'm starting to think that his worst crime is helping Stiles and nothing more

I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE what JANE has or hasn't done -- BUT WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT HIM -- there's something he's not telling everyone as evidenced by his conversation with himself

CHAR: You have no life, just this endless obsession.  "Red John..Red John…" Ugh... [rolls her eyes] Mom would not be happy.

JANE:  Well, my relationship with your mother is uh, is my business.  Show a little respect.

CHAR: Hello, I'm a figment of your imagination.  Show yourself a little respect.

JANE: This is what I've been missing out on, all these years?  When do you go to college again?

CHAR:  You can't even be real with someone who doesn't even exist?  Does anyone know who you are?

JANE:   Yes.

CHAR:  Who?  Well, c'mon, who?!



THE HALLUCINATION BEGINS TO FADE OUT…


JANE:   [calling out, as if in distress]:  Lisbon, Lisbon…



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