Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Guy, when you watch the Mentalist season 6 Episode 7, Jane is in the Church, watching and analyzing the place, and planning his attack on BA and Red John or on BA or Red John.

I am sure there has to be a lot of things Missing. Bruno Heller just cant make this without explanation, no one watches movies to conclude things without conclusion. 

Millions of Dollars spent on this show for this?

I am sure there is a lot to be exposed, one of them is that Red John Hypnotized Mcalister ect. And I think Red-John is Bret Stiles.

Bret Stiles is the only one who has the requirments to do this.

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Can we all agree that there is a HUGE chance that RED JOHN was NOT at the bard in 1988?
This was only a huge assumption by us and the show. This changes our whole timeline. 

Red John started killing in 1997.
The media named him red john because he liked to red headed woman early on.
I say he started killing around 23-25 and would be around 33-38 right now

THIS WOULD BE DERICK LOGAN JOHN WAYNE RIGSBY
RAYOND HAFFNER 
BRETT PARTRIDGE 
GABE NYLAND- SAME CLASS AS LOGAN
MASHBURN BUT HE MAY BE 40ish

Red John is not a 48 year old balding sheriff 


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The biggest writing fail is the Kira Tinsley storyline along with the part that RJ has a tattoo.  It is so rushed and nonsensical.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KEpoGUfzt4 Listen carefully to that sound around 19-21s when smiley face appears. If i remember correct, that sound is played often when something with RJ is shown to us. Now rewatch last seconds of episode 6x08. That sound appears again, and a while later we are seeing back of a man with a child (also we hear creepy laugh and another weird sound).
Maybe that's the real RJ? Especially that episode is also named "Red John" :D.

- Jane still wears wedding ring,
- someone at this site pointed out titles of 4x13 and 6x13 (4x13 - Red Is The New Black, 6x13 -Black Helicopters),
and a lot other theories here supports the one that RJ is still alive!

The person who killed Ardiles could be RJ. Why no smiley face? Coz PJ and RJ now are fighting 1v1 to see, who is better. RJ started to killing old CBI members untill PJ catch him. Patrick is last on the list :).

Sorry for bad English!

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Omg i found something.
A very important ep is gvps first crazy bf that wanted to kill jane .
He is in the parking lot with a gun and cbi ron sees him looks at the gun then drives away!!!!

That ep was very important. "Bloodshot"
Jane tells gvp she had a traumatic experience in her past and it just so happens jane has a visual of a client he made commit suicide by lying to her .
He said her grandmother said she forgives her.
The lady who is a red head said "my grandmom was an evil lady!"
She committed suicide . Could this be graces relative that jane made commit suicide ?

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 WOULD RJ REALLY LET BERTRAM GO DOWN IN HISTORY AS BEING RED JOHN?  HELLO?!  McAllister plans a neat little double murder to get rid of Jane and Bertram -- seems logical at first -- RJ gets to go free, no one will ever know McAllister is RJ ----BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE PROBLEM WITH THAT --- the egomaniacal RJ we have come to know for 5 years doesn't like "cheap imitators."  No, the RJ we know is proud to be RJ and would not stand for very long to think his/her imagine had been tarnished by the likes of bad poker playing Bertram.  MAKES NO SENSE.

MORE ASSORTED QUESTIONS WITHOUT ANSWERS:

1. Why does Jane tell everyone about list?  Must be because he wanted them to know…WHY?




2. Why does Jane endanger his crew?  Must have thought they wouldn't really be in danger…WHY?



3. Tinsley said man who killed her had a tattoo…How did she know that?  Did she see this guy sleeveless prior to this -- did they go swimming together?  Sleep together?  Because average man isn't going around sleeveless.  Logic would dictate that BA would NOT want members exposing tattoos, anyway.  And I don't think killer showed up at her door wearing Chippendales outfit with leather gloves.  



4.  How do we know the man who hired Tinsley and the man who killed her are the same?  We don't!  She appears to know person at door but IS NOT happy to see them [not the usual response given by RJ associate who is always in love with RJ]



5How does Jane know RJ is the one who killed Tinsley?  Beating and strangling isn't usually his style, is it?  Where was his taser?  And he left her alive -- totally not RJ.  A gun/knife would have been quicker.  JANE TELLS THAT RED JOHN KILLED HER…WHY?



6.  How does Jane know RJ has a tattoo?  He says that Tinsley TOLD him RED JOHN had the tattoo -- WHEN???!!!  ALL I SAW was her showing tattoo markings, but nothing about RJ.  She never said RJ killed me, RJ has tattoo -- this is ALL inference from JANE.  



7.  Tinsley was hired by Visualize.  And if she wasn't, how did Jane know?  Or is RJ visualize?  Did we ever have any information about McAllister and Visualize?  Not that I can think of.



8.  MAN at Tinsley's door had HAIR, you can see it in the shadow cast on her door, and it looked either curly or tousled as if he had a good head of hair.  THIS IS NOT MCALLISTER who is supposedly RJ



9.   Jane figured out RJ was McAllister -- BUT HOW?  Because of WHAT?  He never tells us.   He only describes knowing about 2 bombs and switched DNA evidence, but WHY did he think it was McAllister over Haffner or Stiles -- because they could have done exact same thing with bomb and DNA, too?  And don't tell me STILES is dead. 


10.  And speaking of DNA -- if Partridge was BA and a master of switching DNA -- whose to say Partridge is really dead?  Now that everyone's keeping corpses on ice...



11.  Jane goes to the church with a PIGEON IN POCKET and previously taped a gun to pew.  Clearly, he's expecting McAllister.  BUT HOW DID JANE get passed CORDERO with a pigeon on his body when Cordero frisked him?  Was it in his undies?


12. Jane publicly announces that Bertram is RJ when HE KNEW he wasn't in order to trap McAllister -- but then surely, he also knew what McAllister would try to do later -- get rid of Jane and Bertram together, wrapping it up nicely. 
 
So WHY ASK McAllister in church why Bertram had to die??!!  THAT is a question JANE ALREADY KNOWS ANSWER TO!  What did Jane think was going to happen?  With Bertram on the run for being RJ, he could have been shot and killed at ANY time.   Obviously, Jane used Bertram and really didn't care that Bertram was in danger.  Makes no sense.  In fact, 
Jane acts like he's reading from a script, like he already knows what's going to happen and he's baiting McAllister.

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WHY DOESN'T JANE WANT TO KNOW HOW MCALLISTER KNEW HIS LIST?  WHY?  Must be because he ALREADY knows HOW McAllister knows.  



14.  WTF with MRS. CARMEN LEE?  Another suspicious moment that they're not going to tell us about.  Lisbon acts like it's nothing.  Jane seems concerned.  Of course, Haffner walks in right after and it makes him look guilty as sin and then they play terrible ominous music the whole time he's visiting Lisbon [who just had dream of him knifing her].  
 We assume it's RJ or HAFFNER but I wouldn't put it past JANE to have set up the nurse to come in like that, god knows why

Haffner says, "Boy, they let anyone in her these days..." as if yet again another reference that he's some bad guy who is making a sick, tongue and cheek remarks to taunt Lisbon.  With all this set up against Haffner -- I'm starting to think that his worst crime is helping Stiles and nothing more

I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE what JANE has or hasn't done -- BUT WE DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT HIM -- there's something he's not telling everyone as evidenced by his conversation with himself

CHAR: You have no life, just this endless obsession.  "Red John..Red John…" Ugh... [rolls her eyes] Mom would not be happy.

JANE:  Well, my relationship with your mother is uh, is my business.  Show a little respect.

CHAR: Hello, I'm a figment of your imagination.  Show yourself a little respect.

JANE: This is what I've been missing out on, all these years?  When do you go to college again?

CHAR:  You can't even be real with someone who doesn't even exist?  Does anyone know who you are?

JANE:   Yes.

CHAR:  Who?  Well, c'mon, who?!



THE HALLUCINATION BEGINS TO FADE OUT…


JANE:   [calling out, as if in distress]:  Lisbon, Lisbon…



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Kirkland twin seen!

In my mind Bob Kirkland has been one of the most mysterious characters on the show other than JJ LaRoche. There is very little known about him. He has been lingering in the back ground since season 5 and just as his role becomes more active he mentions his twin Michael and get killed never to be seen again.

Some of his actions don't seem to make sense at all. He is represented as a man hunting Red John and then he goes on to kill Jason Lennon without any real interrogation.

For some time now i have been convinced that establishing a very detailed time line will be an important element in order to solve the unanswered questions we are still left with.

I have now stumbled upon something I consider an important switch in time. This reversal changes a lot of context and convinced me that we must have seen both Kirkland twins already.

At the beginning of 601 we meet Partridge on the beach, where he states that judging by decomposition the victim must have died around 18 months ago. From Van Pelt we learn the identity of the victim and that he has been reported missing in August 2011. This puts the time of the episode in Jan/Feb 2013.


In 604 Hightower fakes her death to hide from Red John. Jane learns from Van Pelt that Hightower died 2 weeks ago in Mexico. Shortly after that he visits Hightowers aunt and leaves a message on the memorial site. The memorial site lists the date of death as July 15th 2012! There is a virtual flower left August 7th and he meets Hightower the same evening.

and the kidnapping happens one day after. As Kirkland dies on his way to either prison or jail it is safe to assume he died in August 2012. The list of suspects is mentioned several times in that episode. At the end Jane proclaims we are down to 5 suspects. Ergo the dvd must have come out at the latest in August 2012 and since Lorelei died 2 months before the dvd she must be dead at least since june 2012.

Since Partidge was alive in 2013 his death can't be the fact that excludes the second suspect.


Here is the crazy part and the reason why i believe we have seen both Kirklands:


518 is called "Behind the Red Curtain" and in addition to the main case focuses on the situation arround the comatose Jason Lennon (remember the conspiracies arround John Lennons death?). At the end of that episode Kirkland kills Lennon. In that scene we get a look at the heart rate monitor. In the upper left corner there it shows us the date and time. It 19:16 and the date is February 11 th 2013!  

Earlier in this episode Kirkland and Jane meet in the hospital. Kirkland asks Jane why he is in the hospital. With a smirk he relpies that his aunt daphne is in room 10 with liver failure caused by her alcoholism. With the correct timeline we can now see why Jane really smiles. He just landed a punch based on information he got in the cabin half a year earlier.

Now some people might wanna argue that the dates mentioned in those two episodes were not meant as clues, but simple oversights. In the case of 518 that might be somewhat plausible, even though the there is nothing else in the shot except that monitor so it would be a very big flaw, especially if you consider how carefull they have been otherwise to avoid any specific dates.

For 604 it's even more unlikly because the page was fabricated only for this show and the date shown lies before the actual filming of the episode.

Since one Kirkland twin is already dead since August 2012 it must be the other twin killing Lennon.

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