Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Every time Partridge goes, he says it's not Red John.  He obviously has a sick fascination with death, he's a creepy emo guy, a high pitched voice like Red John, and it was weird that he was there in this episode.  He almost seemed happy about it.

I also think it could be one of Jane's old acquaintances from his circus days.  Lorelai said they had shook hands, but it doesn't necessarily mean it was after Red John started killing.  It could have been someone he knew from his childhood, which would explain how Red John could have targeted his circus memory in the Season 5 finale.  I think it's possible it's not one of the seven suspects, but if so, probably most likely Partridge.

I think this rules out Kirkland as RJ.  RJ apparently knew all the suspects by the time of Lorelai's murder, which was several episodes before Kirkland broke into Jane's office.  (And what would be the need if he already knew the names on Jane's list?)

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I give up . . . if it's not going to be Mashburn than I've lost interest.  None of those other suspects are even remotely interesting to theorize about.  Heller said that RJ was definitely one of the people on the list and he filled up the list with flat, uninteresting suspects.  Stiles and Bertram are too old, Smith and McAllister would look stupid as RJ, Haffner is just irritating, Kirkland entered too late to be satisfying which leaves Partridge who seems like too small of a creep to be RJ.

RJ has money, resources, the ability to make many friends especially women, Jane level intelligence, etc. 

Everything fit if RJ was Mashburn.  Two full episodes of interesting dialogue of fooling Jane and Lisbon, a music score with RJ's drum tics in the background, a sad past, and so much more.  None of the other characters have sparred verbally with Jane like that except Stiles so I'm done.  No more theorizing because I simply don't care which one of them is RJ anymore.  I thought it'd be hard to wait for the sixth season but not anymore.  This has been the most disappointing final - it played more like an ordinary episode without any of the suspenseful tension that filled the other four finals.

Why couldn't the list be full of more three dimensional characters like Dean Harken, Max Winter, etc?  How could it possibly be interesting to watch Jane investigate flat government suits like Bertram, Kirkland, McAllister, Smith, or Haffner?  How the hell did I get stuck slightly hoping it would be Stiles because Jane's had suspenseful interactions with him or Partridge because it would make the Season 2 final complete because Jane scares Partridge and then RJ does the same to Jane?  Kirkland is only slightly creepy, Haffner is blind to reading people, and Bertram has no personality even if he's been suspicious by quoting Blake, calling Jane the boy wonder, and his part in the S3 final. 

I'm thoroughly upset with Heller.  Mashburn was so perfect - (even now my mind's trying to come up with a logical explaination for RJ being Mashburn despite Heller's comment that RJ is one of the seven suspects . . LOL)

I admit defeat and I'll try to crush the vague hope that a poor response to the names revealed with cause Heller to write in a loophole that results in it being Mashburn . .

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Theory #2545 • By mountainman21791
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Bruno heller does not know yet...and the most popular theories out there he will not choose

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I still don't understand how Red John got the knowledge of Patrick's exact same 7 suspects, and even weirder, how did he know it before Patrick? This tape with Lorelei when she is speaking for Red John was shortly before she was killed, the bandage from the gunshot wound on her left arm proves it. Which means the tape was recorded just after Lorelei told Jane she was going after Red John to kill him, and this was in episode 16. Jane narrowed down the list in the season finale, 6 episodes later. It's like Red John knows exactly what Jane is thinking because I don't really see any connections here. I also don't understand HOW Patrick really narrowed down the list to these 7 individuals, what did he use? The Elliston farm? Members from Visualize, how? Visualize absolutely refused CBI to look at any membership from 1988 or any year before or after. I'm going crazy... I don't see any connections to this at all.

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The list of seven is the truth, according to the writer, Mr. Bruno. Also remember that Bruno said we had seen "him" by season 3.I'd say it is either Bertram or Partridge, guys.
1.) Brett Stiles is a good actor for the part, but much too old, and I don't think Red John would have helped Jane break Lorelei out of jail. We k now that RJ was a teenager in the 1980s or so, and that is voice is thin and reedy from hearing him on the phone. The connection to Visualize is a misleader. Plus he is bald, and I don't think that the blind lady from forever ago would mistake that. and great gods, RJ's voice is nothing like Stiles'.
2.) Everybody likes Kirkland for it, but I'm pretty sure he's just a red herring, like Bruno (the writer) loves doing. He is shown shaking Jane's hand just to mislead the audience. He's a total tool, and not nearly as cunning as Red John would be, and when is the last time RJ has killed a suspect himself, that didn't try to "move in" or "copy" him? Never. Not his M.O.. A lot of people go into that his closing epsidode's name was "something rotten in REDmund" which I think is just another red herring. (Seeing him break into Jane's room for his evidence, for the purpose of creating that film, doesn't matter, the film with Lorelei is already made and she's dead by then.)
3.) Sherrif McCalister? You're kidding me, right? We saw him once, in S1 E1, and although he was a total creep to the fair Van Pelt, there's no way he has the connections with "all the townsies" that know him so well and enough time to play RJ. I wonder why he's on the list. (Plus the Sheriff has a mustache, and RJ doesn't, if that counts for anything, and he's too tall.)
4.) A lot of people like Haffner for it, but he isn't nearly intelligent enough, he looks too old, and his actor's acting abilities don't fit the bill. Two of his episodes weren't directed by Bruno or by  His placing in visualize earlier is way too comfortable, and his involvement in the Red Barn case is equally circumspect. Also, since we know Kirkland is a tool, do we really think that Haffner, who reports to him, would (were he RJ) allow his minions a higher place than himself? No.
5.) Mr. Reed? We see him once. In some random episode in season two or three I think. He's too tall, and very overweight. I don't think someone with RJ's personal determination and precision would be overweight, and RJ isn't overweight in the video we see of him or when we see him in person. Wrong voice too, too low.
That leaves us two people.6.) Bertram7.) PartridgeNow there's a lot of suspicion with Bertram, my favorite of the two, for two reasons. One is that the actor who plays him is very very good, and excelled at playing creepy domineering guy in a previous series. (24 fans, anywhere?) Two is a trickle of strange comments from Jane about him, concerning poker, his comment "I get a weird vibe from the guy" and Bertram's other concern with self-image, just like Red John. There is also the quoting of poetry in an episode that seems Red-John-esque.Unfortunately, he seems a little too old, a little too bald, and a little too easy to manipulate to be Red John, and his voice isn't nearly reedy enough.
Which leaves us with Partridge, Who is the right height, voice, and weight, as well as the right voice, and he has the creepy-domineering abusive person vibe... and his obsession with Charles Dickens seems right on the spot. but his comments about Jane doing "his thing" and suspicious placement in the season finally make him lackluster as a Red John character. Plus the actor himself has pretty much no experience whatsoever.He is too obvious I think.
Haffner is my #3.

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I think for some time now, that RJ is Jane's father. He's upset with Jane (obviously) and wants to hurt him. That would explain also how he knows so much about Jane, his past, ans the way he thinks and solve cases. BUT... And that's the trick of my theory... I think Bob Kirkland IS Jane's father !!! Remember before killing RJ's disciple at the hospital he said "do you recognize me?" ? He had a surgical operation of the face ! He changed his identity I think. When he shook hands with Patrick, Patrick said "do I know you?" Because he reminded him of someone somehow. That would explain too why RJ has a obsession with Patrick and wanted him as a disciple and friend back in season 3 and 4. Maybe he wanted his son's back. And then Bob said "no, but I know YOU"... So I think now Bob alias Jane's father is Red John.

What do you think ?

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The writers of the show make sure they know who the top suspects on the internet are, so I'm sure they put some names on that list just because they are popular suspects on the internet
So we have a list of seven names now:

Robert Kirkland:  Red John knew about the names way before Kirkland hired those guys to break into Jane's office, so I really doubt it would be him. I won't rule him out because of that because his "alibi" seems too obvious. Even if he knew the 7 names beforehand he could still hire people to break into Jane's office, just to throw Jane off his trail.

Reede Smith and the Sheriff: Who the f are these anyways? And I doubt the sheriff could get Rosalind to fall in love with him, as I recall he was too old and gross.

Haffner and Partridge: seem like they made it to the list just because they are popular among the fans of the show. Both are too obvious choices, not a plot twist at all.

If I had to guess today my cards would be on Gale Bertram. He has the power and resources to pull it off. He is an insider at the CBI, he knows when PJ is working and where he is at all the times so he could have broken into his office long ago to get the list.

Right now Im just surprised by how good of a villain RJ is. He is so unpredictable and smart. Im more curious to know how he figured out the list of names than to know his true identity.




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