Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Well, I won't list the reasons which leads me to believe that Partridge is RJ, because others already did it even better that I could.

I want to draw your attention to two interesting and suspicious points:

1. Someone possibly have said it already, but in the beggining of seasons finale Lisbon shows up with her hand injuried and not a single explanation is given. She just said that hurts in the night before: the night of the murder. Is Lisbon a RJs accomplice?

2. What if the list is fake and was previously prepared by Jane? Do you remember when he puts a stick in the door? He could have prepared the entire board, knowing that RJs would have access (by a CBI helper or by Kirkland - even if he's not a Red Johns guy or RJ himself, he could have been spied) and, in this way, make RJ thinks that have advantage when in fact is the opposite, because Patrick would know that RJs just thinks that he restricted the suspicion to that 7, however, he restricted to a list even shorter or have anothers extra-suspects.

The thing is, based on the idea of Jane having a different list than that one cited by RJ:
1. If RJ is someone in the supposed fake list, Patrick could be closer than Red John thinks (thinking that the real list is shorter)
2. If RJ is someone out of the supposed fake list*, Jane makes RJ feels relieved deceiving him and making more clear the far RJs can reach

* I know Heller said that RJ is someone on the 7 of Jane's list, however, he may have...lied. I guess he did it before, isn't he?


Anyone support this line of reasoning, Jane's being clever than the series make it looks, dodging including RJ, playing the fool when his suspect list is revealed by him?

(PS: Sorry for the english, I'm brasilian and not fluent, but did my best to make it as clear as I could, hope it's not confuse)

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I can't wait for the amount of butthurt there will be when partridge isn't red john.

The amount of whining will be even greater than when Mashburn wasn't on the
seven suspect list.

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I wont pretend to know who Red John is, I'm just throwing a few ideas out there. Ray Haffner doesn't immediately stand out as a suspect, due to the lack of emphasis on the character in his episodes. But I think it could potentially make sense.

So we know RJ was involved with Visualize, I believe he is a member, but not someone who is high ranking. I first had my suspicions when Bret Stiles started telling Jane about how much he knows about Red John. Bret Stiles is very rich, but the only influence he has is in Visualize where he knows almost everything about his members. 

When Christina Fry was kidnapped by RJ, Stiles met up with Jane and gave him Christina's location. Calling it "a gift from a friend". Red John must realise that Stiles was leaking information, as if I remember, the house was in a pretty random location that only people who were told would know about. So why didn't Red John kill Bret Stiles? Anyone who knows anything about Red John is always killed by the man himself. Two explanations:

-Bret Stiles is Red John
-Red John is a member of Visualize. And as we know, no member of Visualize could harm Stiles.

I personally don't think it's Stiles, even though he would be a fitting Red John. I think it's more likely a low ranking member such as Haffner. 

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I also have a semi-theory relating to how RJ knew about Jane's happy memory. If we can all accept that PJ is not RJ himself (PJ's several encounters with him, why didn't Lorelei just shoot Jane if she knows he is RJ? Plus Heller telling us very non discretely that "Patrick Jane is not Red John" in a recent interview about the list.) then we must turn to the eerie world of HYPNOTISM.

Any of you who watch any of Derren Brown's programmes may be aware of snap induction. It's a form of hypnotism where you can put someone in a trance by shaking their hand

But would Jane "fall" for that, being a Mentalist himself? So many questions. Once you answer one another appears. I just know that I can't wait for the next season.

Thanks for reading and enjoy the show :)


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For me there is no doubt - the only person on this suspect list that makes sense is Gale Bertram.

He could have easily and quite legitimately obtained the mental asylum files - he in the end employs Patrick Jane. He could have obtained the files by saying he wants to make sure Patrick is stable enough to work for the CBI.

Also, have you noticed when Lorelei is reading the list of suspects, there is a long break after she mentions Gale Bertrams's name?

In addition, Gale was the first person to be revealed of Patrick's 7 when he was talking to Lisbon. I do think Patrick strongly suspects him.

Gale is in a position of power - as head of CBI it will be easy for him to obtain any information he wants and he most likely knows Patrick's every single move.

He also can recruit people into CBI - isn't it quite funny that so many of Red John's friends are working in the exact office Patrick Jane is working. How do get all those people recruited into that office? Gale Bertram is the only one who can influence who is working in his office. Brett Partridge would not have the authority.

What do you think?

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A lot of people seemed to think that patrick ,a twin,
a split personality,and  alex jane maybe even danny jane
 might be red john....BUT  has anybody considered this
 posibility...PLASTIC SURGERY??? the frase  "  you don't
 know me but i know you " AND THE "i want to retire,get
myself a new face,new name new identity.i have the resources"
 got me thinking...what if patrick's other brother jimmy who
is supposed to be dead is alive and jane doesn't know it?what
if somebody related to him from his past changed his appearance?which
would explain the "happy memory"

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I'm surprised not to see more people looking at Alex Jane, Patrick's father. I think there's now an excellent case for considering him.

The show has been very careful to avoid giving definitive clues, and to include a lot of misdirection. Hence we should look for an answer that would provide an elegant conclusion, but that Heller has avoided hinting too directly.

Alex Jane is an obvious choice because of his absence. For someone so important in Patrick's development, he has received almost no coverage in the series, and that cannot be an accident. This absence from the plot is probably the strongest evidence pointing to him: he is being reserved for a future misdirection (which may have already started, in 'Red John's Rules'), or he is Red John himself. 

'Red John's Rules' confirmed that Red John's talents as a mentalist exceed Patrick's - guessing the seven names on his list, orchestrating the event so that Patrick would receive the disk that Lorelei recorded - all impressive feats. (It is, of course, possible that Sean Barlow's comments on John being a psychic are correct - but if you believe that, it takes you down a very different route.)  

It also shows that Red John has intimate knowledge of Patrick's childhood - not just the carnival circuit, but specifically of Patrick's upbringing. This includes information that almost certainly could not be obtained from third-parties - he selected the victim in that episode to make that point to Patrick. 

The seven people themselves are perhaps less compelling on purely dramatic grounds - none would give as satisfying a conclusion as it being Jane's father. A couple of them have solid grounds for suspicion, and Kirkland is at least an accomplice, but it's too obvious. Even the handshake clue may itself be a misdirection - after all, CBS and Heller have no obligation to tell the truth. 

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I hope brett partridge gets killed at the beginning of season 6 just to mess with everybody's head...how ironic would that be..patrick at the crime scene,looking at brett's dead body with the smiley face on the wall...EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE...with rj starting to kill more often it makes you wonder if some of the suspects will be killed..especially people that somehow have a " connection ' to patrick  like brett partridge..maybe kill somebody very obvious like partridge or bob kirkland...when they start the hunting for rj...i'm pretty sure we'll se a couple of wtf moments or surprises.probably the less ovbious will be there until the end like reid smith and the sheriff...even though part of me thinks gale is working for rj...he's the only one that makes sense to me besides partridge...brett is way too obvious...is too bad my favorite suspect walter is not on the list.

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