Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Were all here trying figure out who RedJohn is but were going about it in the wrong way. So lets talk about Red John for a second. Red John is extremely intelligent and in many ways Patrick Janes equal. He is also referred to as a classic narcissist who hates people who copycat his crimes and belittles him. 
   That being said I think we can safely rule out Reede Smith and Sheriff McCallister. Next we have Brett Stiles. Brett Styles already has power and control over a lot of people. We know that because he owns Visualize and from what we know about Visualize is that its basically a cult. With that type of power and control Stiles has no need to become a serial killer and we know he doesn't match the Red John profile. However we can assume that Brett Stiles has a good idea who Red John is. Based on that Im ruling him out.
     Bob Kirlkland was recently introduced and is a newer character. I also get the sense that Kirkland is more of an vigilante than a serial killer. He has some kind of tie to Lorelie Martins sister hence the reason he killed Jason Lennon asking him " Do you know who I am?" Kirkland figured out that "Roy" aka RedJohn Killed Miranda who Im willing to bet was Kirklands Fiance and that is why Kirkland is not Red John.  
       Brett Partridge is a weird, creepy but soft spoken type of guy. He has a dislike for Patrick Jane but in a I wish I was like him kind of way. He has quoted classic literature like Red John but doesn't seem to have the intelligence and narcissistic attitude like Red John. Could he be Red John? Sure but for now Im ruling him out.
      Gale Bertram was on the top of my list for a long time because of his status and CBI director. He does seem to come across as a bit of a narcissist but not like Red John. Bertram cares about himself yes but is wiling to protect the interests of CBI first. Why? Well if CBI went down on his watch that would reflect on him an look back on his record and hurt his career. He doesn't like Patrick but is willing to use him to get the job done. While he does have the power and connections to be Red John I don't think he would take the chance at hurting his career by being a serial killer on the side. Im ruling him out.
      Now we are left with Ray Haffner. Ray Haffner is a very intriguing guy. As we know Patrick was told by Lorelei that he and Red John are a lot alike. Jane tend to work alone solving cases and Haffner left CBI to start his own security firm. They both have blondish hair and both have ties to Lisbon. Haffner also was a former FBI agent and a member a visualize. He woud also of been the right age and the opportunity to commit Red John's first 2 murders. Remember the whole narcissistic thing I was talking about? Well in one scene Haffner asks Cho if Jane is smarter than him. Red John also has "disciples" who he had to of recruited and Haffner tries to recruit Lisbon by offering her a new job with more money. Many of Red Johns Disciples seem to see him as "God Like" or a "Messiah" like figure. Things Ray Haffner could have learned in Visualize. So with the Narcissism Ray showed, the ties to CBI, FBI and Visualize he is my prime suspect. He also is a former football player and Red John while helping Jane says "Roll Tide." 
    On another note people Red John is brilliant ok. He isn't going to be stupid enough to give himself away by quoting poems or by acting smarter that Jane when he was around him. Red John only tell Jane what he wants him to know and Ray Haffner is the same way. Remember when Lisbon asked him if he was at the barn during the first 2 murders only to have Ray ignore her and ask Lisbon "We are friends right?"    Ray Haffner is Red John.

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First of all: Partridge is just a guess, no theory around that. =p
Second of all: main language here is portuguese, not english, so... You'll probably find some gramar mistakes...
Now, I'm assuming (for god's sake) Jane is not Red John and the list the show gave to us in the finale is real as Heller stated himself (after all lying about that would make no sense, with the only possible purpose of infuriating the fans that follow the news).
So my question is: do you guys think Jane or Red John are seriously stupid?
Everytime I see a theory eliminating some of the suspects of the list o seven by statements like "he is too old", "he is bawd", "he is too tall", "his voice doesn't match" or "he is too fat", god, I have headache!
Jane, for months, was carefully narrowing down the list of people he shook hands after his wife and daughter were killed to SEVEN PERSONS, and you really think he missed those kind of detailes? REALLY? OUR Patrick Jane?
And even after we have, through Red John, known the list is really a great step in order to get to the son of a b#tch?
What I'm trying to say is: Before theorizing around the list, think: "Doesn't Jane knows that already?". He has been in the Red John case for years and have also been desperate to catch him, after so many proofs of his (Patrick's) inteligence that were given to us through all the season, he would NEVER miss this kinds of details, folks!
Our only chance to figure out who Red John before Jane does is with the information on screen we get that Jane does not! Like the tea part when Roy visited Rosalind, when Kirkland requested though agent Shultz Red John's case developments to Minelli, the fact that it was Kirkland who broke into Jane's secret investigation (AFTER Lorelei was killed, please)... Anyway, these are our leverage over Jane, not a description a blind woman gave that Patrick is well aware of...
Of couse, with all that I'm assuming the show will have at least some coerence, otherwise... Well, otherwise why should we even bother trying to guess.


BONUS: There's one interesting fact I'd like to share with you: as a brazillian I used to watch the show legended (now I watch it without that) but when my little sister (that is sort of a fan of the show) wants to watch it, i put it dubbed in portuguese.
The thing is: in episode
08 from season 2 (when Bosco dies), just after Minelli talks to Lisbon (after the badass media conference), there's someone in a suit and sunglasses Minelli aparently sees distant. With the original audio you can't hear a thing, but in the dubbed version you can hear someone saying: "Como está indo a investigação?", that, translated, sort of means: "How's the investigation going?" and we all know who was following "secretly" the CBI investigations on RJ since the beginning...
When I rewatched this it was after Kirkland's second or third episode in season 5 and by that moment I was like "OMG, is that him there?!"
Right now I'm kind of sure RJ is not our "friend" Bob (because he broke into Jane investigation after RJ already knew the list), but does it means he was there from the start of the show? I mean, the writer had the idea of the character since that time?
Interesting, isn't it? =p

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i have previously blogged 2 other theories regarding red johns identity equating to Gale Bertram HOWEVER;

NOW I AM 100% sure Bertram is Red John if he is ACTUALLY one of the 7 suspects, which i believe to be accurate,


I was watching Strawberries and Cream part 2 for the  umteenth time when i came to a startling realization


Outside of Jane and Lisbon's team in CBI, and ofcourse Gale Bertram

NOONE else could have possibly known about the meeting spot in the mall's food court for Bertram to lead red john into.


O' Laughlin had no knowledge of this location, so Timothy Carter had to have recieved this information from Gale Bertram...Unless of course, there is a leak between either Van Pelt, Rigsby or Cho...which i cant see being plausible.



The only other possible scenario for Red John discovering the location of Jane and Bertram's meeting spot in the food court is this: 

when olauglin was cleared as a possible mole in CBI, Van Pelt informed him that Bertram was the mole and went on to describe in detail the sting INCLUDING the location of Janes meeting spot...This sounds very plausible, however it was never shown/ spoke of in the show AT ALL...wasnt even hinted at!!  I also dont feel that Bruno would expect us to assume Grace would inform Olauglin of this plan of Jane's.   

Bottom Line is that Partridge, Kirkland, Stiles, Mcallister, Smith, and Hafner couldnt have possibly had the knowledge of the food court meeting spot, and that BERTRAM not only had knowledge of this spot, but had PLENTY of time to prepare Timothy Carter for his role as Red John and was also able to dial down the timing of his appearance to the exact minute of when he left the food court... THIS PROVES GALE BERTRAM HAS  TO BE RED JOHN!!!! my only question is why it took me so freaking long to realize this!!!!

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A few questions:

1. where is Kristina Frye?

2. Has jane even taken into account harker's description?
(cuz some dont fit the profile)

3. What did Bosco tell jane in the hospital?

4. Is lorelei martins alive?
(because of the bandage theory)

These are just a few of the questions that need to be answered to make a proper speculation about red john..
though red john is one of the seven, not enough clues have been given to be sure of anyone of them..
I am just accusing kirkland because i have to give a name to submit my theory..

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Red John is not just one person....he may not even be on the list of seven,maybe Bruno hell or is just saying this so that we will be in awe when red John is finally revealed......

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I'm not accusing anyone but have two questions:

In season 5 finale, ‘Red John’s Rules’, Jane tells Lisbon that the victim’s name is Eileen Barlow, who after her parents were killed in a car accident, was raised by her uncle Sean. He does not specify that Sean is her paternal uncle or her maternal uncle. But in response Lisbon asks Jane if he thinks that Eileen’s murder is connected to “Sean Barlow”. I know it may be a simple assumption on her side or maybe Heller did not pay enough attention when he was writing the script for the episode, but still how could Lisbon know that Sean is Eileen’s paternal uncle, and hence is a Barlow? Am I missing something here?

This must have been mentioned before, but in season 2 finale, ’Red Sky in the Morning’, When supposedly Red John himself comes and kills his copycats and rescues Jane, the shape and height of the heels of RJ’s boots, how RJ walks, the size of RJ’s hands which appears to be much smaller than his supposed rough hands as described by Rosalind Harker, the way RJ touches Jane’s chest, all have feminine characteristics. So is there a small possibility that this character was not RJ or that RJ is a woman?

Eagerly awaiting your comments!

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