Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister Reede Smith
Reede Smith Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Theory #4284 • By Mahesh
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This has nothing to do with who is red john.
I am just writing this so that we can try to understand what happened so far and what PJ might be thinking.

I just think there is a mystery about Bob/Lorelei and Lisbon.And if we can answer these questions we might know what PJ is planning.

Mystery about Bob:Case-1:
Assume Bob is not RedJohn or Associate of RedJohn and he is a good guy hunting down RedJohn.
If he does not know who RJ is:
Jason very well knew RJ. So why did not he ask Jason who RJ is? 
He is asking Virgil/GaleB/Lisbon about RJ right from the start.why did not he ask Jason who actually know who is RJ? its strange??
Also, whats the need to kill Jason.?
If he does know who RJ is:
why not simplly follow/kill RJ?
why follow PJ's investigation?Why should he break into PJ's room?
why he need details on PJ's investigation?
Case-2: Bob is RedJohn or Associate of RedJohn

Killing Jason makes sense as Jason might reveal who RJ is to CBI/PJ.Also (RJ)Bob wanted to know where PJ is with his investigation. So he broke into PJ's room to find the details.

Mystery on Lorelei's Death:

Case-1: Its a fake:If its fake, who is she teaming up with ? PJ or RJ?
If PJ is behind this, RJ did not kill her even though it was shown like that.
so RJ would easily come to know about this and suspect PJ/Lorelei.
So what PJ/Lorelei is tring to achieve here by faking her death?
Moreover,Lorelei knows who RJ is and wanted to get revenge for her sister.
She could easily tell PJ who RJ is and then both of them can kill RJ.why they care about clues/proofs/evidence or even suspects?
They want to catch redjohn with actual proof and put him in jail.? i doubt it.
We all know both PJ and Lorelei want RJ to be dead. so why all this drama? 
Faking the death and reading out suspects makes no sense at all.
IF  RJ is behind this, why Lorelei should team up with RJ as she want to kill RJ.
is she held captive by RJ? and RJ is making her do this to play with PJ? Thats a possibility.

Case-2: Its real. Lorelei is dead:

Bob broke into Jane's room after Lorelei's death.If Lorelei's death is real, how can she read PJ's suspects?
When reading out Jane's suspects we can see she looks really bad and has a bandage on her left arm. 
But there were no sign of this when she was shown as dead. why?

Mystery about Lisbon:

In the later stages of season-5, PJ is reserching/suspecting all persons he met since he joined CBI.May be he found something enough to suspect Lisbon. May be Lisbon is not RJ associate from the start. But defintely there is something on her now linking to RJ. 

How RJ knows PJ is preparing a list of persons whom he shook hands with?Only Lisbon/Lorelei knows this apart from Jane.

Why did RJ asks for Lisbon's dead body as a gift in Season-4 finale.? We know PJ would not have killed anyone. so why ask for Lisbon?

Bob says to PJ in hospital, that PJ was there watching when Lorelei shot Jason.who else might have known this apart from Lorelei/PJ. Lisbon was the first to arrive at the scene.only Lorelei/Lisbon would have told him.

If Lisbon is RJ's associate from the start, does RJ trust her that much to allow her to work and get close with PJ?is it not a big gamble for RJ?

We can carve out number of theories/possibilities based on this.But these are just a guessing game following the clues. might not be true.

Theory-1:Lisbon(or some one else) steals PJ's suspect list and give it to RJ.RJ then make Lorelei to read the list and kills her.And then he sends the video to PJ at a later stage.
Bob is RJ's associate.
He breaks in to PJ's room.If RJ already got the list from Lisbon, why did Bob breaks into PJ's room.?This is a cover-up. 
The writers do not want us to suspect any one else except Bob for stealing Jane's list.
Bob is a obvious candidate for RJ's associate right from the start. So they just throw Bob as a bait to us.
Just think, we would have defintely suspected Lisbon(or any one else) if they had not shown Bob breaking into PJ's room.How else would RJ have the list?

Something similar to this happened in Season-3 finale.Intially it was shown GaleBertram is RJ's inside man and later they revealed it was Craig OLaughlin.

Theory-2:
Lorelei is not dead. She is held captive by RJ and she is doing what RJ says.So RJ is faking her death. Then RJ asks Jason to break into PJ's room and get the actual suspects.And RJ makes Lorelei to read this.

Thanks for reading.Please post your comments.

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First one; we need to find leader of RJ. I thought, Bret Stiles is the most powerful person in the seven suspect list.
He can impress a lot of executive, police, agent, businessman.. etc..
Remember that "red barn" episode. First murdered was found in a red barn where was the place of his.
So that, Leader of Rj must be very old. Anyway everyone knows he has got secret powers.
If seven suspects list is not truht , RJ is absolutely MUSHROOM.
And I would like to say that all seven suspects could be Red johns employers :)

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I Think Kristina Frye is RJ.

She will use amles to do her "dirtywork" and hypnotize people to help her without knowing what thay are doing.

I Think that more than one on Janes list is under her Control.

The best way to hide is in plane sight.
And if you are one of RJs victims then you cant be RJ!


Back up theories:
In S2 final I Think it looks like RJ has female rubberboots.

At the first killings RJ used a "stungun" this indicates to me that he (or she) not has the physical streth needed.

By the way...
Is"He is Mar" realy written by the dead male. Is it not on the wall next to the dead female.
If so she did not know RJ. I Think this is written by RJ to confuse PJ.
If it means somthing I Think it shoul be "He is marionett" = Someone else is pulling the strings

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I personally doubt that Red John is among the 7 Suspects. The plausible suspects - If we go by Rosalind's description are far too convinient and IMO unworthy candidates to be RJ. 

Brett Partridge for example. 
Sure he seems like a nutcase but he absolutely has no charm no is he similar to Patrick in anyway. Most RJ accomplices that have met Patrick made a point to liken the two. Unless Brett can completely shut down his calm and manipulative personality then I dont see him as a candidate. 

The descriptions aside, he doesnt at all seem like the kind of person people would follow. 

Bob Kirkland
He is somewhat of a charmer and is very hard to read. I remember Lisbon saying he talks as if he is saying nothing. His interest in Jane and his position in the system would grant him quite a few perks and tools. Though he seems like a Red Herring IMO and he is not much like PJ. 

Id much rather appreciate him being tied to a different storyline or his own pursuit for RJ for his own personal reasons. Some people think he had a connection to Miranda, IMO that would be suitable. 

Ray Haffner 
He is a charmer il give you that, but he does not possess the qualities RJ is rumored to have (By his accomplices). RJ loves playing games and he likes winning, evident from the season finale, Ray couldn't even last a day with Patrick and he was annoyed with him quite a few times. He also seems sloppy. 

What makes him a candidate is his physical description, which ties in with what Rosalind described and his past on the farm. He would be a disappointing RJ IMO. 

Those are the only suspects from that list that I see as plausible.

Krystina IMO would be much more satisfying as RJ than anyone else though. The reasons i want to give have already been covered here and then some. 

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Conclusion after some research on here plus personal opinions.

Bret Stiles is the father of Raymond Haffner.

Robert Kirkland is not working for RJ nor he is RJ, he's hunting RJ cause he's mostlikely the boyfriend of Miranda.

Brett Partridge was the original RJ but Bruno Heller kept going cause show got popular so RJ could be changed now.

So.. RJ could be one of Haffner, Partridge, McAllister imo.

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Remember the episode with the Red Barn, where Lisbon learns about Ray's connection with Visualize? She goes into Jane's room to say something, but doesn't when she seeks his work on the suspects. Things like this can't be coincidental. There must be a reason why Lisbon unintentionally skipped telling Jane something. I think Ray is Red John.

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And if the list was that of episode 7 or 8, with Minelli, Mashburn, Ardiles or Harken? I think Red John is more likely to be in this list. In his interview, Heller said "this list" but perhaps the list of the last episode he was talking about ...I'm french so I need details about the interview Heller

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