Who is Red John?

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List of seven

Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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I want to introduce some new thoughts. I suspect Thomas McAllister, Reede Smith or Gale Bertram.

I think it is one of them because "the mentalist" is a tv-series ;).

The idea of the show is to mislead the viewer, surprise him and point out clues which lead to another misleading hints.

I assume that all hints to RJ from the show are true, and no false hints are set. So let's look at the other 4 other subjects


Brett Partridge
: He is way to creepy. Every fan who watched the show suspected him that he have done evil stuff from the first second, wheather in the RJ context or not. He is way to obvious. Furthermore RJ has to be older. He worked for Visualize 20 years ago at a farm, thus has to be between 20 and 30 at this time, thus 40 to 50 now. Perhaps older. So, Partidge is out.

Bret Stiles




and Ray Haffner
are old enough and worked for the cult organisation "Visualize". The "Visualize" connection would be the best bet for a real investigator.  Why is Jane not going to "Visualize", makes some crazy Jane stuff to break in and tries to find membership lists of the time? Or members which started the farm, or brought stuff to the farm? Or made the accounting for the farm? Why not asking the tax office for data from the time from this city? Or tries to ask questions to people from the city? Why is Bruno Hellers strory not following this excellent clue?

I guess because Mr. Heller wants us to follow this clue "on our own". We should suspect Ray or Bret just because of this hint. So: to obvious.

Bob Kirkland: too abvious. He already broke into Janes flat to find the evidence against RJ. RJ knows the list of 7. So, a real investigtor would ask: where does RJ get this information which only Jane can know and he wrote down once? And the first bet would be the guy who broke into the appartment and stole the stuff ;). Furthermore, he is now the main investigator of the RJ case. It would be ironic to be him RJ. So, a good suspect, thus a bad suspect.

Why this three?
Gale Bertram
: We already suspected him. It's a classic mentalist-show move to have a suspect, find clues that leads us away from this person, but at last, he's the killer. So, this would follow this figure Heller already used "against" the viewer of the show. Furthermore, Bertram is old enough.

Thomas McAllister: in the first moment the list of 7 was revealed I thought of ... who the fuck is this? I didn't remember him at all. Furthermore he has nothing to do with the CBI and the main characters. He is not the first subject, thus he is mine

Reede Smith: Well, he's the chubby guy and everyone thinks: "no, not the chubby kid" ;).
Remember the episode where the "retarded" guy set fire to kill the killers of his friend. Same figure in story telling.

Basically, the idea of this theory is to find the guys who are the most un-obvious and trying to understand what an author of the show is thinking. The authors want us to be surprised, to be mislead. So, find the guys you are not suspecting. And you have your killer ;).



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At the promos of the season 3 finale they said red john will face patrick in this episode...we all assumed that Carter was red john...but just minutes before confront carter he was with Bertram face to face...maybe he really face red john ( bertram ) but we all assumed it was carter...just an idea.
No one of the other suspects was on the episode....
Sorry for the mistakes english is not my first language

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Theory #4466 • By Maxwell86
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I strongly believe TIMOTHY CARTER actually was the REAL RED JOHN.. and somebody else was copying his work, in order to gain the attention he had with his murders.. :)

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Honestly I am torn about who it is and regardless of my opinion I am extremely excited for the start of the season. My hunch is Brett. 

I did want to bring one thing up because others are starting to talk about it again and I haven't heard this perspective talked about.

"He is mar"

A few points:

RJ is far to meticulous to allow a nearly dead man to leave a clue on the wall. 
RJ knew, and patrick acknowledged, that Jared told Jane he would tell him who he was if Jane helped him

Mar means, "to inflict damage" or as a noun, "a blemish". I would presume that RJ wrote "he is mar". As to why, I would say RJ was explaining why he killed Jared. Or potentially being "humorous" with Jane because Jared was going to share RJ's identity. 


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Hello, Love this website
I've seen every episode and I'm rewatching them again (in season 4 right now)

First off Jane is not Red John, they lead you down that road in season 4 but ultimately Patrick Jane is just being consistent (get the killer (like Panzer) before he kills again)
even if it means to not follow the letter of the law...what sets him off in that Panzer episode was that Darcy was going to take over the case, not that Panzer dissed Red John on TV

Obviously I'm not 100% sure but I believe Kirkland's the guy

Here's why
He fits Rosalind's description
He's soft spoken and fits the voice
He obviously has ties and friends to the FBI / CBI
His talk with Lisbon over coffee said he was from America (his parents moved around)
That's the tie that's needed to Patrick Jane's carnival days
Similar ages
He told Lisbon to stand down on Volker (Volker is the Red John type) but not on the list

I originally thought it was Partridge.
He's the creepy type but he's not the type that would get people to follow him
In the Following on Fox, that guy had charisma, the ladies liked him, he could develop a "following"....Partridge aint that guy

I loved the theories a couple weeks ago from the post that Betram was Red John (explaining the end of season 3)
After reading that I thought Bertram was the guy and Kirkland was helping
But now I believe its the other way around
Kirkland is the guy and he's got Bertram helping him (knowingly or unknowningly)

I think in season 5, Heller showed us Red John and he's Kirkland
Part I'm not sure about is Lennon saying he didnt know Kirkland (hypnotized not to remember him??) (I know that's a reach)  Kirkland killed Lennon to cover his own tracks.

I think that's why we will be disappointed when he's finally revealed...He may have already been revealed

Haffner isnt red john, he got played by Jane and he's not socially awkward, he was hitting on Lisbon when he made the offer, he was trying to get Lisbon away from Jane.. The pitch was like "Lisbon you'll always be second to his wife, even after the Red John case is solved, etc." The guy is not a psychopath serial killer...Jane showed up Haffner,(Partridge too), Red John wouldnt take that.....Jane hasnt had that control around Kirkland, Kirkland has always had the upper hand (when I rewatch season 5 again, I may have a different opinion)

Remember Red John is keeping Jane around to toy with him
It will have ties to Jane's childhood (why the father theories are out there)
We don't know enough about the first killings (that would help)
But Red John should be one person that kills the ladies the same way
If Its Kirkland (he killed Lennon out of necessity, Carter Peak too, that's why those are different

Finally i just think that Patrick Jane has been closing in, he let everybody know it at the CBI and Kirkland/Red John took the bait to break in

Kirkland didnt log all the info....He's studying it himself

Love the part where they're both studying the same board that Jane created....Who can battle to get the upper hand? How long can Kirkland hold him off?

Again, I think that's why we will be disappointed when Red John is revealed.. He already has been.....And this season is Jane getting caught up with the viewer on Red John

Thanks for your time....Looking forward obviously to Sep29



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Theory #4473 • By Faisal
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Who is Red John ? Maybe Brett Partridge and his helper's : 
Bob Kirkland
Bret Stiles
Gale Bertram
Ray Haffner
ReedeSmith
Thomas McAllister

. . Just maybe . .

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Harker Rosalind....she is able to I.D. because she is fond of him. PJ should gather the suspects and have her I.D. each of them that'll determine who if any of them may be RJ. Case closed.

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