I strongly believe TIMOTHY CARTER actually was the REAL RED JOHN.. and somebody else was copying his work, in order to gain the attention he had with his murders.. :)
I strongly believe TIMOTHY CARTER actually was the REAL RED JOHN.. and somebody else was copying his work, in order to gain the attention he had with his murders.. :)
Honestly I am torn about who it is and regardless of my opinion I am extremely excited for the start of the season. My hunch is Brett.
I did want to bring one thing up because others are starting to talk about it again and I haven't heard this perspective talked about.
"He is mar"
A few points:
RJ is far to meticulous to allow a nearly dead man to leave a clue on the wall.
RJ knew, and patrick acknowledged, that Jared told Jane he would tell him who he was if Jane helped him
Mar means, "to inflict damage" or as a noun, "a blemish". I would presume that RJ wrote "he is mar". As to why, I would say RJ was explaining why he killed Jared. Or potentially being "humorous" with Jane because Jared was going to share RJ's identity.
Hello, Love this website
I've seen every episode and I'm rewatching them again (in season 4 right now)
First off Jane is not Red John, they lead you down that road in season 4 but ultimately Patrick Jane is just being consistent (get the killer (like Panzer) before he kills again)
even if it means to not follow the letter of the law...what sets him off in that Panzer episode was that Darcy was going to take over the case, not that Panzer dissed Red John on TV
Obviously I'm not 100% sure but I believe Kirkland's the guy
Here's why
He fits Rosalind's description
He's soft spoken and fits the voice
He obviously has ties and friends to the FBI / CBI
His talk with Lisbon over coffee said he was from America (his parents moved around)
That's the tie that's needed to Patrick Jane's carnival days
Similar ages
He told Lisbon to stand down on Volker (Volker is the Red John type) but not on the list
I originally thought it was Partridge.
He's the creepy type but he's not the type that would get people to follow him
In the Following on Fox, that guy had charisma, the ladies liked him, he could develop a "following"....Partridge aint that guy
I loved the theories a couple weeks ago from the post that Betram was Red John (explaining the end of season 3)
After reading that I thought Bertram was the guy and Kirkland was helping
But now I believe its the other way around
Kirkland is the guy and he's got Bertram helping him (knowingly or unknowningly)
I think in season 5, Heller showed us Red John and he's Kirkland
Part I'm not sure about is Lennon saying he didnt know Kirkland (hypnotized not to remember him??) (I know that's a reach) Kirkland killed Lennon to cover his own tracks.
I think that's why we will be disappointed when he's finally revealed...He may have already been revealed
Haffner isnt red john, he got played by Jane and he's not socially awkward, he was hitting on Lisbon when he made the offer, he was trying to get Lisbon away from Jane.. The pitch was like "Lisbon you'll always be second to his wife, even after the Red John case is solved, etc." The guy is not a psychopath serial killer...Jane showed up Haffner,(Partridge too), Red John wouldnt take that.....Jane hasnt had that control around Kirkland, Kirkland has always had the upper hand (when I rewatch season 5 again, I may have a different opinion)
Remember Red John is keeping Jane around to toy with him
It will have ties to Jane's childhood (why the father theories are out there)
We don't know enough about the first killings (that would help)
But Red John should be one person that kills the ladies the same way
If Its Kirkland (he killed Lennon out of necessity, Carter Peak too, that's why those are different
Finally i just think that Patrick Jane has been closing in, he let everybody know it at the CBI and Kirkland/Red John took the bait to break in
Kirkland didnt log all the info....He's studying it himself
Love the part where they're both studying the same board that Jane created....Who can battle to get the upper hand? How long can Kirkland hold him off?
Again, I think that's why we will be disappointed when Red John is revealed.. He already has been.....And this season is Jane getting caught up with the viewer on Red John
Thanks for your time....Looking forward obviously to Sep29
Who is Red John ? Maybe Brett Partridge and his helper's :
Bob Kirkland
Bret Stiles
Gale Bertram
Ray Haffner
ReedeSmith
Thomas McAllister
. . Just maybe . .
Harker Rosalind....she is able to I.D. because she is fond of him. PJ should gather the suspects and have her I.D. each of them that'll determine who if any of them may be RJ. Case closed.
A few suspects that are going through my head right now.
Our first suspect is Bob Kirkland. When he made his first appearance Jane says, "Do I know you?" and Bob replied, "No. But I know you." I got a little intrigued but at the same time creeped out. Also, the fact that Kirkland is so interested in the Red John case as a Homeland Security Agent is a little like the Panzer episodes, (meaning he is investigating himself). Though he isn't one of the more significant characters in the show, there's a decent chance he is RJ.
Bret Stiles... the Visualize psycho. He himself stated to Jane that Red John is "someone he knows". But how would he know that? Is he Red John himself? It is possible he is Red John and his Visualize zombie minions train to become one of his accomplices? Suspicious... but in my opinion he isn't the sort of person to be Red John.
The thing about Brett Partridge is that he himself doesn't nearly have enough significant characteristics to be Red John, though I do believe he is one of his assistants. What made me conclude this is because of his behavior around Red John's crime scenes. He seems somewhat anxious, and hateful towards Jane, not something Red John would do. There is also a scene where one of RJ's apprentices attack a victim and at first glance, it appears to be Brett doing to deed.
It's possible Gale Bertram is RJ, but there isn't much evidence against Mr. Bertram. The only feasible clues I found on Bertram was when he said the "Tyger Tyger" poem, which was pretty shady seeing as it's not very well known. Also, there's something about Bertram that reminds me of Red John... the power he has, his ability to "cold read". It's almost like you secretly know it's him.
J.J. LaRoche was definitely a more primary suspect in earlier seasons then he is now. But I still believe there is a possibility LaRoche is the culprit. There was a lot of evidence pointing towards LaRoche earlier on, but now there is only one hint (to my knowledge) of LaRoche's being/involvement of/with Red John. The episode with the supermarket bomb guy that turned out to work for Red John was shot by LaRoche because "he reached for a gun" before being taken for questioning down at the CBI HQ. Because of this it is possible LaRoche is one of Red John's helpers or Red John himself.
Now this is who I believe Red John is himself: Patrick Jane! It sounds pretty crazy, but after watching a ton of episodes the pieces somewhat fit together. I just find it so strange how he, like Panzer, compliments Red John's killings, one time saying "he likes to cut their throats slowly and watch the life drain out of their eyes" (or something like that). I'm just wondering how Jane knows all this stuff? About his family, it's quite possible there was maybe a falling out, and before he left for the interview he murdered his family, releasing his monster within, the birth of Red John. There's a lot of episodes where he talks about RJ in an admirable fashion, yet he talks about killing him a lot. It's possible he has gone crazy after murdering (?) his family and believing RJ is out there though it is him. We'll just have to wait and see...
Well, that's my overall opinion! The reason I didn't list Ray Haffner, Reede Smith, or Thomas McAllister is because I don't believe they are Red John. Feel free to share your thoughts on my theories!
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