Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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I posted a crazy little theory yesterday that, to my surprise, got a lot of positive feedback and support.  But I was not very clear on some points so I want to clarify some of the parts of this theory. I honestly do not believe that this will actually be the case. But this is just for fun so please don't judge or hate. Just enjoy and comment please.

Let's have a look at a little timeline in the show (at least what we know of):
Early 1980's -> Patrick Jane and Alex Jane are working together in the carnival as 'con artists'. 
Mid 1980's -> Patrick Jane has a falling out with his father and runs off with his wife.
1988 -> The first Red John killings take place on a farm from which we learn Visualize operates.

Now Red John vanishes for 10 years.

1998 -> Red John starts killing again, up until present Red John kills many including Patrick Jane's family.

Now what puzzled me is where was Red John for that 10 year gap? In the show they place emphasis on this fact. So I devised this next theory; see the timeline below:
Early 1980's -> Patrick Jane and Alex Jane work together as con artists in the carnival.
Mid 1980's -> Patrick and his father has a falling out. He runs of with his wife and his father becomes enraged over this.
Late 1980's -> Alex Jane starts Visualize and the first killings take place on the farm from which the organization conducts itself.  Alex is afraid of impending prosecution so he changes his appearance completely and gets a new identity. He becomes BRETT STILES.

Over the next 10 years he builds Visualize and becomes wealthy, influencial and powerful.

1998 -> Red John killings start again, Red John mastermind is Brett Stiles (Alex Jane). He hears of Patrick Jane and his way of exploiting people for financial gain and this makes him angry because that was why Patrick ran away, he did not want to do that. So he murders Patrick's family and decides to show him he's better at mindgames than Patrick.

I know this is crazy, but as a previous user commented, it fits all the clues:
1) Brett Stiles says: "I know Red John better than you will ever know him". Who knows you better than you know yourself?
2) The idea of plastic surgery was not excluded by Bruno Heller because the man in the end of season 3 who says he is Red John says: "I will get a new identity, a new face and make a new life for myself" (Please note I am not saying this man is Alex Jane or Brett Stiles)
3) Lorelei says "I can't believe you did not become best friends the moment you shook hands". If I knew that someone was Patrick's father, and I heard they met each other I also would not believe that Patrick had not recognized this man or become friends with him considering they worked together way back when.
4) If this theory were true, the Tyger Tyger reference could also tie in. Because the same one who 'created' Patrick Jane, also 'created' Brett Stiles.
5) Visualize gives 'hope' to people who are in need for financial gain. Is this not exactly what Alex Jane did? He tried selling that crystal to the sick girl, and his words were "We are selling her hope"
6) Alex may already have known about Patrick's 'happy memory'.
7) Brett Stiles told Patrick he knew his father, but we also know Brett knows Red John.
8) Visualize covered up the possibility of Red John having been a member of Visualize.
9) The timelines fit in well, because we never see what happens to Alex, and it is mentioned that he also left the carnival...to go where?

I know this is far-fetched but as I said I was having fun with this one. Thank you for enjoying the show with me and also having fun with this website. 

Please comment below as I would like to discuss this with you. 

Thanks

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Theory #6188 • By iamnotredjohn
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red john is dr wagner. he is a psychiatrist and so an expert of psychology like jane, he might also be a much more accomplished hypnotist then jane. it would make sense also as red john would have appeared in pilot of the series. he let jane catch him in the first episode on purpose because as a superb hypnotist and a large network of accomplices jail is no restriction for him , he might be able to get in and out on will and nobody would suspect him or think of looking for him in JAIL! that's why he used jane to get himself there. that's why red john is always confident that nobody can catch him. nobody would look for him in jail and he would always have a perfect alibi even for times he was out.

he might even have jane under hypnosis when he had a session with him to prescribe the sleeping pills, maybe part of that session was not shown in the episode. would also explain how he know about jane's happy memories etc.

it would also explain how he knows the list of jane's suspects, because they are all people who had something to hide and have willingly or un-willingly helped red john at times, so it would be logical that jane could not eliminate them and red john would know that also.

Roy tagliaferro/ jay roth etc. may have been wagner himself or an accomplice.
This would explain all the clues hints etc. in the series quite satisfactorily.

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 Clues :  
           
            Lorelei Martins-) Red J. wants to be your friend
            J.J's 
precision about friendship (S5E21)
            
            Mom
            rape
            Freud
            Psychoanalysis

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Just wanted to note something about the end scene in S6 episode 1 where Lisbon is in the house with Partridge/RJ. People keep mentioning in their theories about Partridge being alive that Lisbon was grabbed from behind, that no one else was seen behind her that we could see from our angle, and/or that she was standing so close to Partridge's body that it had to be him.

BUT! We know that Lisbon was tasered by RJ, that is his usual method. So it could be that her fall just happened to look like she was pulled from below (not on purpose). When you're tasered, you are immediately stunned and you fall in any direction. Additionally, you can be tasered from quite a length (I'm pretty sure).

Also, further proof that her fall was likely in a random direction due to taser and not meant to reveal that it was Partridge pulling her is that if it was Partridge, and she was tasered after she was grabbed, then she would have known it was Partridge. Even if she didn't physically see it was him because it happened so fast, she would of felt him pull on her ankle/leg and known it was him.

I'm not totally against the idea of it being Partridge but this is something to consider for sure.

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If Partridge is dead, there must be a reason, no? RJ kills the accomplices that cross him or cause unnecessary risk. So what did Partridge do in so far as helping RJ out, and what did he do to screw that up?

Maybe that is what Heller is referring to when he said that there was a reason that Bret died in episode one. Maybe we will find out what he did for RJ or what he didn't do for RJ and it will play a part in the storyline. I'm very intrigued either way if he's alive or dead!

Also, if RJ is in fact Partridge and he faked his death to avoid suspicion (because he knew he was on the list/a suspect in Jane's mind), then why would he implicate himself furthermore by uttering Tyger Tyger? He had to of known that Lisbon would obviously tell Jane about that, and Jane would get suspicious all over again (he would have more questions regarding Partridge thus more suspicion).

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As people before have stated, Bruno Heller has said that the scene where Lisbon was abducted, was extremely important. In all three episodes, there were pigeons present or shown on camera. I think this is the fear that Red John has instead of heights. It's the fear of pigeons. In the last episode, McAllister freaked out when a bird came near him in the attic of the church. There were pigeons when Lisbon opened the door where she was taken. I think he did the killing of Brett along with impersonating a patient for Jane's therapist. Although, I don't think that Red John is a single person. The scene in episode two, where the three men were chatting in Bertram's office was interesting. That's why I think it consists of multiple people, but McAllister was present on the scene of the abduction of Lisbon.

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The Great Red Dragon is the seventh episode of the sixth season of The Mentalist.

"The Great Red Dragon" is a series of paintings by William Blake, the man who also wrote the poem "Tyger, Tyger" which Red John has been associated with, and has used to taunt Jane.

"The Great Red Dragon" is also mentioned in the bible revelations:

"And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth. And to it the dragon gave his power and his throne and great authority. One of its heads seemed to have a mortal wound, but its mortal wound was healed, and the whole earth marveled as they followed the beast." (Rev 13:1-18)

Just as the dragon has 7 heads, Jane has 7 Red John suspects. In the bible, one of the heads is thought to be mortally wounded, but was healed.

Brett Partridge was thought to be mortally wounded, but will be healed.

Brett Partridge is Red John.


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