Hi guys !

My probleme (and i think OUR probleme) is that i cant answer those questions about trusting Heller!!! :

- Can we trust Heller when he says : " Red John is one of the seven of the list " . I trust him at 70% and dont trust him at 30% (I count well right ? :-p) . If we trust Heller on this point, Then for me RJ is Haffner. If Heller is playing us, then RJ is NOT on the list, and then for me RJ is CBI RON (so weird!!)

- Can we trust heller when he says : " Patridge is dead " . I trust him at 50% (you all know how many % I do NOT trust him right ?!? :-p ) ! If Patridge IS dead, then for me RJ is Haffner once again ! If Patridge IS NOT dead, my bet is on him !

Guys how do YOU trust Heller ??!!??

One more thing, we have all read, few hours ago, an EXCELLENT theory about RJ being MCALLISTER, and i agree with most ( and i can add that i thought that : "HE IS MAR " meant he is Marshal ( but i know à sheriff is NOT à Marshal but maybe the man was confused as i am ! :-p )

But for me MCALLISTER can NOT be RED JOHN because :
1/ he is supposed to be good with computer (he entered the CBI system !) and I dont see him being good with computers (i assume that i can be wrong at 100%)

2/ for me when we saw MCALLISTER + Bertrham + Smith in Bertrham's office in season 6, it was something to PREPARE for what is coming AFTER they catch ReD JOHN ! They do that in almost every show in USA, ( i dont know if i made myslef clear but i feel I'am right 98% ! )


And then, just for curious people, you can spend hours in wikipedia searching for " William Blake" (we know that Heller took à lot of references from him : tyger tyger, Brace of Patridge, the Great Red Dragon, ....) you will find some strange things if you look at this (but it will be way too long here ....)


Ps : I'm sorry for my English, je suis Français donc excusez moi ;-) , and for my IPad auto-correct to French (i havent read what i wrote so it may have a lot of auto correct things)

And dont forget : HoW do YOU TrUsT Bruno HeLLER ??

I may have missed it but I don't think I saw a theory including this: 

RJ tells Patrick that he knows about that suspect list. Then, one of the suspects gets killed. Now, if that list is bogus, doesn't Patrick realize that he put the remaining suspects in danger? If it is not bogus and the list valid, this still means he put 6 of 7 in danger (one being RJ).

Since we know that Patrick wanted his list to be stolen, I believe he made a list of RJ accomplices that he has no doubt. Either he'll get information out of them by putting some pressure on and waiting for a mistake, or RJ will kill them to prevent this which will cause RJ lose power. In both scenarios Patrick wins. Great plan.

But I have no idea how did he figure out these names. Especially Reede Smith and McAllister are pretty hard to be sure about since they're not that much involved. 

Every single opinion is appreciated, please share your thoughts.

Hi everyone

I posted a crazy little theory yesterday that, to my surprise, got a lot of positive feedback and support.  But I was not very clear on some points so I want to clarify some of the parts of this theory. I honestly do not believe that this will actually be the case. But this is just for fun so please don't judge or hate. Just enjoy and comment please.

Let's have a look at a little timeline in the show (at least what we know of):
Early 1980's -> Patrick Jane and Alex Jane are working together in the carnival as 'con artists'. 
Mid 1980's -> Patrick Jane has a falling out with his father and runs off with his wife.
1988 -> The first Red John killings take place on a farm from which we learn Visualize operates.

Now Red John vanishes for 10 years.

1998 -> Red John starts killing again, up until present Red John kills many including Patrick Jane's family.

Now what puzzled me is where was Red John for that 10 year gap? In the show they place emphasis on this fact. So I devised this next theory; see the timeline below:
Early 1980's -> Patrick Jane and Alex Jane work together as con artists in the carnival.
Mid 1980's -> Patrick and his father has a falling out. He runs of with his wife and his father becomes enraged over this.
Late 1980's -> Alex Jane starts Visualize and the first killings take place on the farm from which the organization conducts itself.  Alex is afraid of impending prosecution so he changes his appearance completely and gets a new identity. He becomes BRETT STILES.

Over the next 10 years he builds Visualize and becomes wealthy, influencial and powerful.

1998 -> Red John killings start again, Red John mastermind is Brett Stiles (Alex Jane). He hears of Patrick Jane and his way of exploiting people for financial gain and this makes him angry because that was why Patrick ran away, he did not want to do that. So he murders Patrick's family and decides to show him he's better at mindgames than Patrick.

I know this is crazy, but as a previous user commented, it fits all the clues:
1) Brett Stiles says: "I know Red John better than you will ever know him". Who knows you better than you know yourself?
2) The idea of plastic surgery was not excluded by Bruno Heller because the man in the end of season 3 who says he is Red John says: "I will get a new identity, a new face and make a new life for myself" (Please note I am not saying this man is Alex Jane or Brett Stiles)
3) Lorelei says "I can't believe you did not become best friends the moment you shook hands". If I knew that someone was Patrick's father, and I heard they met each other I also would not believe that Patrick had not recognized this man or become friends with him considering they worked together way back when.
4) If this theory were true, the Tyger Tyger reference could also tie in. Because the same one who 'created' Patrick Jane, also 'created' Brett Stiles.
5) Visualize gives 'hope' to people who are in need for financial gain. Is this not exactly what Alex Jane did? He tried selling that crystal to the sick girl, and his words were "We are selling her hope"
6) Alex may already have known about Patrick's 'happy memory'.
7) Brett Stiles told Patrick he knew his father, but we also know Brett knows Red John.
8) Visualize covered up the possibility of Red John having been a member of Visualize.
9) The timelines fit in well, because we never see what happens to Alex, and it is mentioned that he also left the carnival...to go where?

I know this is far-fetched but as I said I was having fun with this one. Thank you for enjoying the show with me and also having fun with this website. 

Please comment below as I would like to discuss this with you. 

Thanks