Wow, did you guys see that Partridge is in 2x/3x more theories on this website than any other suspects?
Ha has a much bigger following than Bret Stiles or any of the others.
And people thought he wasn't powerful enough to be Red John..:P
Wow, did you guys see that Partridge is in 2x/3x more theories on this website than any other suspects?
Ha has a much bigger following than Bret Stiles or any of the others.
And people thought he wasn't powerful enough to be Red John..:P
in the next episode Hightower tells Jane that he has been under surveillance for 9 years. In season 5, we know that Jane joined the CBI five years ago. Therefore he has been working for the cbi for approx 6 years.
9 years is strange? Thats prior to his wife death.
SPOILER ALERT!
I have seen each and every Episode of the Mentalist ever since it aired. From the first Episode on my sole interrest was focussed on "who is Red John". And I suspected every single character that appeared ever since of being RJ.
I warn you, if you read any further from this point, all your ordinary RJ-Theories will melt into thin air, and you can see the real killer.
First things first: You can NOT TRUST ANYONE in this show. Maybe in other shows, but definitely not in the Mentalist. I don't trust Patrick or Heller or the List-of-7 or anyone. It's a great show, because it gives soooo many wrong directions and red herrings, it's famous for that and it will reveal something GREAT in the end (and I will show you what that is).
This is my THEORY, I understand that the whole point of this show is to keep people like me, like you, like us thinking things through over and over again. Please, if you think differently PLEASE do write a comment what might be logically wrong with this theory. I really put some time in that article (providing you with videos on youtube, so you are aware of the story). I am really totally interested in an opposite opinion, and would like to hear a good reason why my theory is wrong. So let's start...
1.) Patrick says about RJ: "He's a showman, he does not have friends, he only has tools."
2.) RJ is "so much alike" PJ (according to Lorelei, the CBI-secretary, etc...)
3.) "I wonder why the 2 of you didn't become life long friends the moment you shook hands." (Lorelei)
4.) RJ not only knows so many details about PJ, he also knows characteristical behaviour and how PJ would react in certain situations (Psychiatrist, etc) - so you could say RJ knows Patrick profoundly!
5.) RJ is smarter, better and simply more intelligent than Patrick
6.) RJ knows "happy memories of Patrick's past", the very early years
7.) RJ is smarter than the police
8.) SPECIAL RJ MOTIVATION for Patricks wife (go check the videos)
9.) GAME CHANGER E03 S23 EXPLAINED (the revalation)
After all that I can say, RJ will not be an ugly mean old man. Obviously creeping around and stalking people. He will be very VERY much like Patrick Jane. You must not look for a devil to find one.
ad 1.)
clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvHz4lETHnY
Danny and Patrick, both showmen, both need a stage, both used to carnival gigs. Patrick even commited, Danny was the 'real showman' back then. And Cho said Danny was even some kind of Houdini (famous magician) in those days.
Danny called Patrick, because one of his FRAUDS did not work out as well as he planned. A woman killed her husband and Danny was the number 1 suspect. So he USER PATRICK AS A TOOL to get him out of that situation.
ad 2.)
clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQw3dEss13Q
Danny and PJ have about the same taste in old cars. Oldtimers in particular. Furthermore, in this situation Danny asked Patrick to come to the cementary (because he wanted to hurt him). Danny mocks him the whole time (eg: "they'd like it", "maybe they are up there right now looking down on us", "who knew a trip to the cementary would be such a downer", "guilt is for marks", etc.) and makes patrick feel like a sad bag of sh*t. OF COURSE one could at least assume, that a trip to the cementary for patrick would NOT BE a happy memory.
ad 3.) + 4.)
Patrick and Danny know each other since they are kids. There was always a certain rivalry between them. Patrick was the Boy-Wonder and Danny was the Young-Houdini. Rivalry is key to the Patrick-RJ-Relationship. "I wonder why the 2 of you didn't become life long (LIFE LONG!!) friends, the moment you shook hands." Patrick and Danny were no friends EVEN BEFORE RJ killed Patricks wife and child. They were life-long-rivals for attention and danny's sister.
ad 5.)
Patrick THINKS profoundly he is smarter than Danny. He only thinks so. He searches for RJ since years and can't find him. BECAUSE he is not smarter than RJ. RJ is smarter than Patrick- And Danny is RJ.
ad 6.)
Regarding the Happy Memory Thing: Patrick said he "MIGHT have told his psychiatrist about the happy memory". MAYBE. But I don't think so. I think Danny easily KNOWS about the happy memory, simple because he was there when they were young. Wouldn't be too odd if Patrick and Danny had rivalry ever since, that even Danny had a crush on that girl (Barlow's daughter) back then.
ad 7.)
Well, being smarter than the cops is a hard one. Patrick is for sure, but we can not deny the fact that Danny is as well! He fled police ever since he appeared the show SUCCESSFULLY. He used Patrick as his tool. He sure does not like Patrick, he uses him and mocks him. Perfect profile if you ask me.
ad 8.)
So far I have made my point. Danny is RJ. And under this point-of-view the following dialogue is compelling evidence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpcutLtNxOM
"My sister was the only good, clean, honest thing that I had in my life - and you ran off with her, you took her away from me, away from what she knows. So, you know yeah, I've been mad at you."
To a normal person things look like this: Patrick and his wife want a better life, they move away and get happy together, start a family. Patrick becomes a well known Mentalist, makes lots of money for them and everything is nice and fine. Then RJ kills the wife and the kid. THAT IS DRAMA and weird and oh-my-god. (note: if Danny WAS normal, then he should hate RJ, not Patrick - but he can't cause he IS RJ)
To Danny/RJ things look like this: You took away the only good, clean, honest thing in my life. I completely got mad then and killed lots of women reminding me at my good sister who I secretly loved. Then you even made money and she was so happy she didn't want to see me again. I was a loser to her. And then you (patrick) even mock me in the media. Sorry bro, have to hurt you now! Time to take that b*tch out of your life, like you did to me. Cause I know that feel, it hurts a lot.
Danny: "It's your fault she's dead!!" (not RJ's fault, who killed her, Danny seems to be ok with that)
ad 9.)
clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpcutLtNxOM
in this clip at 0:58 patrick says "i hope one day you will forgive me, i wonder if i ever forgive myself, not for my sake, for YOURS, because HATING ME IS JUST A WASTE OF YOUR ENERGY IT'S POINTLESS; MOVE ON DROP IT FIND SOMETHING TO LOVE"
Danny admits, that Patrick "really has changed".
clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqCmkbtWRVY
in this clip at 0:56 false-RJ says "don't you see I am trying to do you a favour SEEKING REVENGE IS A WASTE OF YOUR PRECIOUS TIME, YOUR LIFE IS PRECIOUS PATRICK GET ON WITH THAT PRECIOUS LIFE, FIND YOURSELF A WOMAN TO LOVE, START A FAMILY - i thought you might take that, well i tried"
to me, this is the response from Danny. RJ apologizes to Patrick, just the way Patrick apologized to Danny. He does it quite un-sensitive. But he apologizes.
The game changer is, that RJ now wants to be friends with Patrick. Through Lorelei he offers Patrick the hand of friendship. Because PATRICK REALLY HAS CHANGED. He no longer is a superficial, money-grubbing fake mentalist. Blending people and using them. Patrick has profoundly bettered himself.
Thank's for your time. To me an ending with Danny as RJ would be such a revalation. We could TOTALLY forgive heller for the fake list of 7 suspects and all the red herrings on our way until the end. Because one can TRULLY UNDERSTAND Danny as life long rival of patrick jane, rival for attention, rival for his sister, rival for that barlow girl. Danny - without magic - knows all of patricks early past. We are looking for a man like danny. Make a Profile and don't trust your eyes too much. Stick to you instincts.
I would be glad to hear DIFFERENT opinions in the comments! :)
To those who think that it was Partridge who seized Lisbon from behind: Ask yourself, who did then open the door behind Lisbon while she was leaned over Partridge?!
First of all the biggest problem with all the fans posting here (including myself) is that we are trying to defeat scriptwriters (particulary Bruno Heller) by predicting the outcome. But at the same time we are hoping that Heller would be able to defeat us and none of the existing theories would be true. So our needs include some inner paradox, which makes hard for us to generate completely uncrushable theories.
Second, most of us are posting deductive theories and there is a lack of inductive ones. You see, deductive theories are limitless, because almost any person, even the most unbelievable one, could be introduced as RJ. For example, PJ's daughter, who is supposed to be RJ's only child victim! I can create a theory from nothing about her being RJ. I can say, that RJ is a mask and the person behind it is changing time by time. RJ who killed PJ's wife was Tim Carter, but he couldn't kill the daughter. We know he had some weakness for girls (remember the hostage victim Mrs. Carter was keeping). So he just took her to his home (replacing with his previous hostage's body), and later the child became RJ.
So, I must ask you to pay more attention to the facts and not the guesses. Here is my inductive theory made some months ago, before the current season started: http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/3591
And a deductive one, also by me: http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/4438
You see the difference.
By the way, now I'm still thinking about McAllister being the most probable suspect. Actually two new facts about him were revealed: smelling abilities (shampoo and oregano), hunting (there was something about Africa, where Carters met RJ, so safari is a good connector here). I would also add the game they played with PJ in S1E2. What were they doing? Shaking hands!
Other facts, shown during these last 3 episodes, are:
Trap for Lisbon (still no clear reason, just guesses)
Partridge saying "Tyger..."
Electroshocker
Using Lisbon's phone (attention, not RJ's, but Lisbon's) with busy hands
Miller's record
Thanks for attention!
The death of Partridge has caused a rift in theories. So I just want to see how many people Bruno Heller has fooled. Which way he's fooled us, we'll have to see. I suspect a portion of people who thought it was BP have been swayed now.
Audience Poll
Green = You think that the alias, "Brett Partridge" is dead and now he operates as RJ.
Red = You think that Brett Partridge is dead, and was never RJ.
Hello everyone.
First I just want to say that I totally ignore Bruno's words because, he won't sold and spoil his show in media.
I have a problem with the list of the seven name. Some of them don't fit the clue we already have. So why PJ place them on that list anyway. Either, this list is bogus and the real RJ is not on it (objective is to create a trap with this list), either the list contains the real suspect on it and we can eclude Sheriff MacAllister, Smith, Bertram, Stiles leaving Haffner, Kirkland and Partridge or some of the clues we have, are, totally or partially, wrong (age, physics,...).
If some of the clues are wrong this may be because RJ is in fact several person. This theory explains ubiquity but have two major problem. First, I think we have already know if Rosalind Harker description in episode 1x23 was not correct and second RJ profile seems to descripe one person only and do not have major contrast (like two personalities in one). So for me that's wrong.
If the list is accurate, that means :
-Sheriff MacAllister is out : don't fit with the description, don't seem to be manipulative but he can whistle... (could be a followers)
-Smith is out : don't fit with the description, is not able to manage anger (could be a followers)
-Bertram is out : don't fit with the description, don't seem very intelligent (could be a followers)
-Stiles is out : would have been the perfect RJ but don't fit with the description. But he is for good close to RJ (could be some kind of a mentor).
-Haffner is in : match description, can whistle, is kind of strange, shakes hand with PJ and don't become a friend. Is asking about the case (clue or not?!? not sure) Visualize member, ex CBI and FBI (have some relation). Is relatively low rank so he have more flexibility. have the motive => He is best suspect but maybe too best
-Kirkland is in : match description, shakes hand with PJ and don't become a friend. But base on 6x04 promo he is not RJ because he torture PJ to have information (could be a followers)
-Partridge is in : match description, is very strange, is in CBI (close to the case), is asking and following a lot RJ but doesn't shakes hand with PJ on screen (but we can assume they did it on screen; we don't have to take this clue literally I think) and seems to be dead.
And finally, if the list is bogus, either the seven are RJ's followers or they are completly innoncent. This tell us something about PJ, if they are followers then PJ is cleaning up and approching RJ, if they are innoncent then PJ wants RJ and doesn't matter about collateral damage.
But then who is RJ :
-PJ himself : in a sort he is because RJ is the perfect opposite of PJ (the evil twin -metaphorically-). He match perfectly and we cannot exclude him but in my personnal oppinion the show doesn't prepare us about this possibilities so it would be a too much artifical twist and what would is motive be?
-PJ's hidden brother : could be but in 6 season we never had a clue about a brother of PJ so this would also be too much artifical.
-Alex Jane PJ's father : would be too old to match RJ's description and isn't present enough in the show
-Lisbon, Van Pelt, or other woman: we are looking for a caucasian man. (could be followers)
-Cho : we are looking for a caucasian man. He could have been but he is too straight and a bit too young and friend with PJ.
-Rigsby : too young, is friend with PJ (but is Lorelei saying the true when she says they are not friends...)
-CBI Ron : drink tee, match description, is strange, always present since the beggining, has a ring in the same place than RJ. Doesn't shake hand with PJ. We don't know much about him so we can't exclude him => He is a good suspect and I don't understand why he isn't on PJ's list maybe because he is PJ's number one suspect.
-Walter Mashburn : match description, has a lot of ressources, is intelligent and manipulative. We can exclude him execpt maybe because of the fact he isn't close to PJ and the case.
And if an other person is RJ, I will be very surprise and Bruno Heller will have a lot of job to sell me that.
So my number one suspect is Ray Haffner, followed by CBI Ron and Partridge.
Sorry for the very long post and for my english...
See you