Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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I am not going to accuse anyone for sure yet, but here are my suspects:

1. BRETT PARTRIDGE

-Fits all RJ characteistics. (Age questionable)
-Is in Jane's list of people he shook hands with.
-Has a "serial killer vibe " in my opinion
-He has a nearly identical voice to RJ
-According to another theory I've read, his opening line is "Red John enters here." (refering to a case, but that would still be clever)

2. ELLIS MARS

-Deceptive abilities (Psychic)
-"He is Mar" written on a wall, probably incomplete.
-In Jane's book (see Brett Partridge, line 2).
-Not very much background with Jane that we know of, lessening his chances of being RJ.

These are my main suspects. Again, I have not officially accused anyone, yet.

~Red John

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Ok, ok ok calm down. Let's give me a shot. Here's my theory:

Patrick Jane was RJ before his wife and daughter murder. He helped the police as he said on television. But probably he was realizing that sooner or later the would have catch him. So in his madness he decided to create a masterplan in order to get inside the CBI and look for RJ.

He organised the RJ's friends in order to act as being RJ, so he can and only he can be able to catch RJ.
He ordered the murder of his family and then removed the order he gave via hypnosis because he knew that only a terrific thing like his wife and daughter murder could have given him the chance to properly enter inside the CBI.
He went to the asylum (in an episode you can clearly see him in his room and a smiley made by him on the wall).

So he brainwashed his memories. But then in the years he is chanced and there is no more trace of psicosis in his mind as the are no more the old memories.
He is unting down his old underlings, which are trying to fight the old RJ.
The new RJ is a group of people that only acting all together can reproduce the real RJ.
That's why the masked guy is Partridge, the money and the power are from Bertram and Washburn (who teases PJ on the feeling of being a murder).
They are independent now, they enjoy their work as "RJ" but the do want to play with real RJ.

In the end the actual RJ will tell PJ that everything started from him. That PJ one day realized that his hatred toward his father continued living on his family.
He loved them but the memories of his life with his father kept on coming.
That the smiley face is PJs face, because PJ wanted that the first thing the man\woman saw entering the room represents the outside of Jane's mind when he was in the circus and then they will be able to see the reality of the "inside" of Jane's mind.

Smiley ---> you look at me and I'm happy
Bodies ---> this is how I really feel, thorn into pieces

Now he is on the route to discover the leader of the RJ gang. 

When Lorelei told PJ "they should have become friends in they very moment they shook hands" is because the actual leader is the "psychic" Ellis Mars.
Jane chose him because Mars is the perfect example of how Jane was before the change.

On the wall of the bathroom the write in reality I think was like this: "He is many".
Not only one and was a clue left by the second RJ to help PJ on regaining himself.
Rosalind met Partridge and Lorelei met Mars, and both of them entered in the life of RJ when PJ wasn't RJ anymore.
Ellis Mars is not a fool or a stupid, he impressed Jane when he told him "I can see the pain in your eyes" and in that moment he tried to show him who he was... but then the things went on another way.

Stiles told PJ that he would be surprised if he told him how many things he knows about "you and RJ" that sounded me like he referred at them as a couple of friends... or as they were the same person, but no more.

I'm not saying that PJ is RJ even if accusing him in the title.

I say he WAS RJ but he is no more. He can't have revenge as Carter said because was PJ to plan everything.
Ellis Mars is the actual RJ.

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Normally I hate CBI Rob theories but I did notice just watching the season 4 final episode that CbI Ron and another agent do show up with Luther Wainright after PJ has supposed to have killed Lisbon and Rigsby. Next time we see old Luther is in the back of RJ's limo. RJ does tell PJ that "oh you had me going a good while" and that "I have a good friend in the FbI, somI found out when they found out" so perhaps CBI Ron is the mole in the CBI. After last season when they went looking for a mole in the CBI we assumed it was Craig O'L. While he was a mole, perhaps he's more connected to the mole RJ has in the FBI and the CBI mole is separate all together.

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Theory #647 • By Randumbness
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Such a shame Timothy Carter wasn't Red John. He fit the bill in every single way. Maybe Heller wanted to extend this RJ saga because the viewers loved the story line, so he decided to make someone else RJ or convince us Jane is RJ. So many twists in this show its hard to believe anything. Now we have a suspect list and Virgil stands out as RJ, also Partridge.

Almost everyone is a viable suspect in some way of Red Johns madness.

Timothy Carter is not Roy Tagliaferro but does that mean he wasn't RJ?
Or was he Roy and Rosalind lied?

Who knows what to think?

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First of all, I'm accusing CBI Ron, but I think that there's other possibilities.

So let me explain my new theory:

I'm not saying Bret Stiles, or Walter Mashburn or Virgil Minelli are not RJ, because lets think about some facts:

a) In season 2 finale, when the guy that we supposed to be RJ recites "The Tyger", you can clearly notice that's a young voice. Even if it's fake, try to imagine Virgil Minelly, Walter Mashburn, and Bret Stiles making that fake voice. Do you think it's one of them? I don't.. I think and I'm pretty sure that it's Brett Partridge.
Now,the thing is: We don't know for sure if the guy under the mask is RJ, or one of his puppets making the work for him. 
Also when Patrick talks to Red John in the limo, we don't know if the voice that we hear is really RJ, or only his puppet telling Patrick what red john tells him to say..
And this, and only this way, we can admit that Bret Stiles, or Walter or Virgil may be Red John. Because this way, Red John assures that nobody listens to his voice, not even his fake voice..

b) We also know that Red John haves Spanish/Mexican friends, because that guy whom Patrick takes out from prison is Mexican (talks the spanish language), and he says Red John is a friend of a friend of his. So we can assume RJ speaks the spanish language.
In season 2 finale, when Partridge comes to Patrick, we speaks spanish "que pasa dude?"....So, can Partridge be RJ, or one of his puppets, or none? We have to wait and see..

But, I think RJ is CBI Ron, (please read my 2 theorys about him)
Also CBI Ron only talks 1 time during the show and he haves a high pitched voice aswell. And he goes to the place where patrick, van pelt, cho etc are meeting in the office, and he says to Van Pelt that Olaughlin is on the phone (s03e08 I guess), and what can we suppose here? CBI Ron talked with olaughlin in the phone before he went calling Van Pelt, and we also know that Olaughlin worked for Red John...
CBI Ron also haves a wedding ring like Red John..

So I accused CBI Ron, even if I think that Brett Partridge is a strong candidate too, and Stiles, Walter and Virgil are good candidates too. But I think CBI Ron deserves more plausible theorys..


P.S.- We also know that RD is left handed (cause in Rosalind's house he drinks tea with his left hand. So PLEASE, stop making theorys about Patrick Jane being RJ and try to find something helpful like some characters in the show that are left handed.)

Sorry for the long post and thank you all for reading this.

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I don't believe any solid identity can be linked to Red John. I am currently catching up (I'm at season 3 episode 12) but at the stage I am at I have reason to believe as of yet he has not been revealed yet. 

My personal opinion is that Partridge is involved and could be Red John's right hand man, the mole inside CBI. It may very well have been Partridge who saved Jane at the end of season 2.  But I do not think this is Red John.  

I will run through my thoughts so far and I appreciate anyone who wishes to speak about the subject to contact me on Jake.Muso@gmail.com.

1) CBI Ron : No, it's not Ron. Would have been interesting but Ron is too much a part of the back ground to be Red John. He seems genuinely not interested in Jane or the team and there would at least have been baleful glance in Patrick's direction at some stage just to annoy watchers into adding him as a suspect.  Accusing him is like accusing a chair on the set. He's part of the furniture.

2) Brett Stiles : I get the feeling that he is most definitely part of the Red John plot.  He basically admitted to it without admitting to it if you know what I mean.  BUT he is not Red John himself.

3) Lisbon, Van Pelt, Cho, Rigsby : In my opinion there is no chance of any one of them even being involved.  There were stages where I believed that Lisbon may be, but her latest behaveour rules her out of it for me.

4) Mashburn : I don't really know about him.  He is a wild card.  But in the end he brags a lot, and he is very annoyingly outspoken.  I wouldn't rule him out as a suspect just yet.

5) Patrick Jane : The notion of him being Red John fits the profile except for the fact that he and Red John are often in two very different places.  I don't see this happening ever.  

However I am trying to look through each and every character to see which person matches Jane in character and skill. Look out for sharp observations by someone other than him.  Because we know they are very alike.  They read the same poetry, they both drink tea, they like playing mind games to defeat their adversaries. Plus if you look at the poetry used i.e. Tyger Tyger.  This is written by William Blake.  In season 3 we see Patrick reading another poem by William Blake.  William Blake believed in Heaven and Hell reconciling and becoming one.  Almost like Yin Yang where the dark and light is one and the same.  Plus the poem speaks of 'fearful symmetry'. This says one of three things:
1) Symmetry as in one object divided into 2 parts which are the same : Making Patrick Jane Red John.
2) The same on one side as there is on the other : Almost like an evil twin somewhere of Jane.  Identical just very bad.
3) As in number 2 there is someone exactly like Jane running the Red John saga.  Someone with the exact same skills etc.  

Plus don't rule out his dad...

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I accuse these people:

JJ LaRoche (alive and serving) (fat, no RJ)
Robert Kirkland (alive and serving) (too young not RJ)
Walter Mashburn (alive and serving) (candidate but not probable RJ)
Virgil Minelli (alive and serving) (it suits well the part)
Brett Partridge (alive and serving) (too young and creepy)
Gale Bertram (alive and serving) (too easy but yet it suits the part)
Lorelei Martins (alive and serving)(woman, not RJ)
Rebecca (dead)
Todd Johnson (dead)
Timothy Carter (dead)
Craig O'laughling (dead)
Madeline Higtower (alive? missing) (woman not RJ)
Orville Tanner (dead)
Dumar Tanner (dead)

Those are all Red John but of course there is one among them who is likely the "boss" a good looking not-to-young man. Why? Because his skills till now are far great than those of PJ and my theory is that's because RJ is older than PJ.
In conclusion if you look at RJ as some kind of mentor of PJs abilities then he can be both: Minelli or Bertram

But if you imagine the challange between PJ and RJ as equals then then obvious choice is Mashburn.
Well let's continue   :)

I accuse them of all of being Red John. 
It's not a single person. It's a group.

Timothy Carter said to PJ "I have many names, some calls me Red John".
Also he said "you're seeking a revenge you won't have".

PJ can't avenge because he is fighting a GROUP non a single person.

It's obvious that there's a mastermind who gave the idea: Brett Stiles.

More or less everybody (the males) fit Rosalind's description but I thik she is also in... because she loves RJ so it very likable she won't let him to be caught.

Supporting my theory ---> "He is mar\n" on the bathroom wall.

I believe is it part of the tense "He is many" or the "Mar\n" is the beginning of the name.
Usually when you address someone you start with the name not with the surname. You say Patrick Jane, Teresa Lisbon, not Jane Patrick or Lisbon Teresa, that's simply something we are all used to.

On the other hand I believe that Kristina Frye was the former RJ lover. Who as been left after been useful to his purpose.
To show Jane how deep RJ can control people and how hard he can still hit his feelings, even if he already took away everything PJ loved.

Kristina said "John won't hurt me, probably he is going to change" she is too sure that RJ won't hurt her.
But then she served the purpuse and RJ chose Lorelei as his new lover.

RJ is powerful but not that kind of power you imagine.
He knows how to control people minds and feelings, which allows him to be even a poor man but capable to use very powerful friends.
They prefer to die rather sell RJ.
That's his power. He maybe is even not in PJs list. And if it is then he is the less probable one.

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