Hey everybody 

Lets now just think logically, we know that Partridge and Bob Kirkland are dead so they are out.
Brett Stiles and Gael Bertrum are too high profile to go to Sophie Miller with a fake name, so they are out too.
Three are left which are Smith, Haffner and McAllister.
Reede Smith is one of the tyger tyger also he doesn't fit the description and when he killed Bob Kirkland he didn't kill him with rj's move so I think he is also out.
Now two are left. We all know that there is sth suspicious about McAllister what I think he is with the tyger tyger group but what is strange is that the "young man" looks really like him and also like haffner because he has the same color of haffner's eyes.
Haffner on the other side we dont know a lot about him, only that he calls Lisbon by her first name and thats what rj does also he is a member of visualize and I guess he was at the barn when it all started.

So I would go with haffner IF rj was on the list.

Another thing that Bob Kirkland appears on episode 8 that would be his twin i ont think that these are flashbacks and it also would explain why he would ask Lennon who was in the hospital if he knew him then kill him, he is with rj.

One last theory is about why they (red john associates assuming partridge was with them) say tyger tyger when they die my opinion is that they are hypnotized by rj, like why would someone say tyger tyger when they are dying?! Only if he was hypnotized.
Thats what I think 

And Peace  

The tyger, tyger organization gives a form for protection were the members protect each other. My theory is when Red John saves Patrick Jane and presents the poem, he is either making him a member or he is saying it so that Patrick will know it later. What do i mean? Red John is protecting him and Lisbon. It is just like gangs protect their own people and families in real life. Thats why all of Red Johns friend or the people who has been in the organization has said tyger, tyger to them right before they die. In the last episode when Smith kills Kirkland he say tyger, tyger and that means; I got your back or i will protect you. So when they say tyger, tyger to Patric or Lisbon it means the same; i have protected you or i have had your back.

I am not sure if this is true, but it would explain why they say tyger, tyger to Patrick or Lisbon before they die. 

Red John has been there from the start, and Heller has not changed who he is. And if you people are disappointed, that is because you have not heard the whole story yet. I think this will be great. Heller has thought out how this will end since the pilot was written. Its gonna be fun to  see the series again and understand and find what clues Heller has put in there.

What do you people think? 

Like many of us, I don't like the last episode, 6x04. The idea of a whole organization supporting murders and protecting themselves by dissimulations over some dark secrets is something that destroys the relationship that's built between Jane and Red John in the five seasons.

BUT, it gives us a clue : I have a strong feeling that Red John is at the head of this organization. This is definitly supported by the William Blake poem he told Jane about, remember :
"Who created your fearful symmetry ?" => I guess it's you, Red John.
+ This is supported by the words of Bruno Heller, comparing Mentalist to Moby Dick. They want to trap THE one that was at the beginning of the whole story, the one that was always just right behind them, and manipulated everyone. That must be the leader.

He wouldn't be able to hide his mistakes if he didn't have this bunch of minions that carry on the dirty work for him.
I bet Partridge was the one who cleaned up everytime the scene of murder before anyone else came (the reason why we saw him on approximately each murder done by Red John).

Now, think about it : if Red John is the leader ... he gives orders to the others (they do the dirty work and cover him. They're glad to do it because he is their protector, their savior), and is above them.
What we saw on 6x04 : Smith was asked to keep an eye on Kirkland from the start by Red John. When the first murder occured (Marx), RJ maybe already knew it was because of the fake list, and Kirkland was at the origin of it. If he didn't at that time, he was informed by Smith when Kirkland came to talk to him.
Smith was also asked, when Kirkland was finally trapped and could give informations to Jane, to kill Kirkland. This is not the motus operandi of Red John, who didn't hesitate to kill Partridge when this one didn't want to follow him anymore.
Smith can't be Red John.

But here come two a question : how did Smith know that the "Tiger Tiger" that Kirkland said was not the one they use in the organization ?
Three options :
- The organization is smaller than what we think, they all know each other and can recognize them => Would be weird since there are people from all ranks in it.
- People in the organization have another way to recognize them, so that they can identify the ones that use Tiger Tiger without being from the organization => Maybe, but would be complicated to introduce a late symbol again, we just happened to learn what was the meaning of the first one.
- People in the organization are only using Tiger Tiger while following the orders of their leader, Red John => Most likely a plausible option. Would make sense with the fact that, when some minions die, they only pronunce "Tiger Tiger" to lead Jane and Lisbon to the leader of the organization, the one that gives the instructions.

IF Red John is the one that gives the instructions, THEN :

- Bertram can't be Red John. His role has been defined by Red John to keep an eye on Jane in the CBI : it has been repeted by Smith, on an authoritarian tone, in 6x02. His role would also explain why he was put in 3x23 to look for what would happen with Jane. It would be the reason why he took the phone so quickly when he became aware of the trap set by Jane.

- Smith can't be Red John for the reason explained before.

- Haffner can't be Red John since he can't be the leader of the organization. He's been given instructions from Vizualize OR from Red John (since he could have lied to Lisbon).
I think he was the one that was asked to come to the hospital to make sure Sophia Miller didn't have any informations on Ray Joth there.
Haffner is definitly someone that has missions to do, those missions being given by the leader.
He may also be the one who had the role to go and see Sophia Miller ! And, why not, putting her had in the oven like Red John asked him to do. But that makes unsure two more things :
- Is Red John really the one with acrophobia, or is it Haffner himself ? If Haffner was the one who met Sophia, then the acrophobia clue isn't true anymore.
- That would explain why we can't eliminate people like Stiles (age) or McAllister (no acrophobia + age). BUT that would help in eliminating easily people like Haffner.
=> Haffner isn't Red John himself, just a minion (the one of them having a crush on Teresa, maybe asking for Red John to not kill her).

Here are the people we discarded : Partridge (dead) - Kirkland (dead) - Smith (has a role given by the leader) - Bertram (has a role given by the leader) - Haffner (has a role given by the leader).

We are left with two people : Stiles and McAllister.
I believe we won't know for sure who is our guy till 6x06 (when we will know what Vizualize is for Red John).

This reasoning makes sense, being supported by the clues given from the production out of the series (again, if I remember correctly) :
- Ashley Gable, after season 3 final : "Red John has been visible in prior episodes. You have to search for him like Waldo."
- Bruno Heller : "We can trust the list."
- Tom Szentgyorgyi : "Red John is one of those suspects [...] This is a fight between to men." => Definitly not speaking about an organization, just a man.
It really leaves is with McAllister, Bertram and Stiles (moreover, Bertram is not like a waldo actually, but well ...). Again, it goes the same way as my reasoning.

Just a thing, going for the "absurd reasoning". Starting from the statement "What if Red John were ..." :

If Red John were McAllister :
- Good sense of smell ; Walks like hunter, without making any noise (helps to introduce in people house) ; pretty smart ; doesn't hesitate to kill and laugh about it.

+ 6x03, when we see McAllister (standing) so much superior to Jane (grabbing to something on the roof, with fear) : he really likes to be superior, to have the upper hand and making Jane needing his help.

+ He is smart enough to trap normal people.

If Red John were Stiles :
- Like a mentalist, can read in mind and other things ; very smart ; knows if everything about Red John AND about Jane (where was Kristina ; what did Red John earlier and how he feels about Jane even before RJ himself saying it to Jane ; the plan of Jane to kill Panzer with the help of RJ ; what happened to Rosalind Harker because of Jane ; ...)
=> He knows way too much about Red John. The leader wouldn't let anyone divulgue so much informations to his most valued enemy. Red John killed people for less than that. Either he is scared of Stiles (making Stiles the leader of the organization, then the one that we want to be dead), or he is Stiles, or he needs Stiles by his side.

+ Stiles did very well in making Jane believe that he wouldn't kill anyone. We couldn't expect less from RJ himself, that is brilliant. He is also amused by the situation, making Jane believe from time to time that he is Red John but just gives enough clues to make it unsure.
If I remember correctly (didn' review those episodes but those are sentences that one can't forget) :
4x16, Coming to the CBI with bodyguards : "I don't want you to mistake me for Red John and shoot me."
3x03 : "I know so much more about Red John than you and him think."
3x03 : "Red John seems to be such an unpleasant fellow. If I knew even a small clue to make you closer to him ... I would cross death for you." => Hilarant, Bret. Please.
4x16, talking about Jane's demons : "They're still chasing you, aren't they ?"
I will quote Jane : "Red John has a strong sense of theater." He likes it ? That is really similar to what Stiles does with Jane, amusing himself by inventing a role and giving weird clues that can't be taken into account but would be smartly placed at the end.

+ In 4x16 : He talks about red smoke to Grace ; he tries to enroll her and likes to be kissed by this good-looking girl ; he manages to let his follower say just the things he wanted, like if he controlled his mind just by looking at him in the eyes.

+ The 5x13 "The Red Barn" : it could explain many things if Stiles was the leader and forced his minions to go and kill some people in the barn, like a training for the real missions. Vizualize members could be gold choices for future murderers : Stiles is their savior, they trust him more than nobody else.
In 5x13, the sentence "What does anything mean", said indirectly by Talbot => Wouldn't that be a way to say that he can't understand why Stiles is the demon that they all believed to be their gourou ? He must have asked himself : "Why did I follow him ? Was it really to die for him, just like that, because he decided my life ended there ?"

+ 3x03 => How convenient it is for Red J... I mean, Stiles, that the murderer (who was someone that knew some secrets of him) was killed by the lover of the victim ! Now no-one can extract information from this dead body, and Stiles isn't suspected at all. Did he control his mind as well ? Even Craig O'laughlin is there to make sure the operation is well done.

Speaking about Craig : wouldn't it be more logical if he didn't work for the FBI, investigating on Stiles (after all, FBI ALREADY has a mole in Vizualize) but was sent there intentionally BY Stiles to keep an eye on the team ? We know he works for Red John, what if it was the real deal ?

+ Red John must have had experienced a while before, maybe not only 25 years back at the barn. It must take some reflexion, backwarded by feelings that developped with age. A 15 - 20 years old guy would be like that.
That woud even surprise me that someone younger than Jane would be smarter AND with a stronger power and organization than Jane.

I definitly bet my money on Stiles, even if I can't totally rule out McAllister for now (still weird that RJ would show with two of his minions in 6x02, but well ...).
He has the power, charism, smartness, boldness, experience and organization to be Red John.

PS : Just one last thing that will help Jane in killing Red John : Jane is willing to do anything to kill him, even if it means he has to die for it to happen, while Red John struggles to survive. RJ fears death, this is not the case of Jane. That will make the difference at the end. Go for it, Jane.

I know everyone thinks he is dead, but the fact is, all the clues still lead to him.

6x4 revealed there is a huge organization lead by RJ, even bigger than i initally thought. 
So many people in law enforcement are involved, they could easily cover up his death.

I think Micheal Kirkland has a backup plan in case of his demise. I think they involve helping Patrick Jane "finish this thing". They fore shadow this by showing the multiply cups of coffee. He is prepared for any eventuality.

Once he realized he was duped by Patrick Jane with the fake list then he felt that he might not be the right man to take down Red John. He decides to initiate a series of events to help give Jane a clue. Kirkland was smart but not as smart as Jane but maybe he knew how to help.

I think the next couple episode descriptions could fit with this.

6x05 - The Red Tattoo - When a prominent member of Visualize is mysteriously killed, Jane
investigates in the hopes that the case will provide a clue that will
lead him to Red John.


6x06 - Fire and Brimstone - With the final clue in hand, Jane attempts to gather the remaining red john suspects in one place in hopes of finally revealing his identity.

I think the events in 6x05 were initiated in some way by Kirkland to give Jane the final clue.

This isn't really a theory just some speculation.

I think it is Burtram personally. Haffner is the red herring. Burtram has a temper and a bad side. Red John is manifested through his anger and rage.

To all the people pointing out that the actor that plays Kirkland will be in episode 8.... has anyone considered he could purely be there is flashback scenes?

If it is the big reveal episode that many suspect, there will need to be flashbacks to tie up many of the loose ends.

I also personally suspect Haffner on list, primarily because I don't trust him and his relationship with Lisbon.

Off list I go for Mashburn, for exactly the same reasons.