Who is Red John?

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Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
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This is, once again, not a theory (my last one was about the 'He is ma' message found in a leaked script). It's about a couple things I found interesting in 'The Crimson Hat' (season 4 finale).

One word that Red John says when he meets Patrick has always kept me curious. 

- Hello, Patrick.
- How you doing?
- Debonair at all costs, huh?
- When did you know?
- Oh, you strung me along for a good long while. Well done.

Debonair – adjective
1. courteous, gracious, and having a sophisticated charm: a debonair gentleman.
2. jaunty; carefree; sprightly.

If you go back and watch the final scene on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pDqVYNtTso4#t=130s - use that link to go to the exact moment I'm talking about) and you'll see the street where the limo is being chased is called Rainer Av, which is intersected by Debonair Way. Coincidence? Heller told us to watch every scene of The Crimson Hat carefully.

So... what the heck does it mean? My best guess is that Red John was actually in Debonair Way while Wainright was in the back of the limo, tied up.

Alright... so what? When Lisbon meets Jane, we see an LVPD police car with one somewhat old man driving it (to me, the man looked a lot like Bertram). But what the heck was an LVPD car doing there? Only the FBI knew about Lisbon, Rigsby, Cho and Van Pelt being there.

However, it could also mean that Lorelei was arrested and taken in that police car and that the FBI let the local authorities know about the missing CBI members, although that seems unlikely to me.

Back to Debonair now. When Lorelei calls Patrick, she says RJ wants to meet him in 2369 Foxglove Parkway, south east Las Vegas. There, Patrick finds a bike that says he had to go to 5071 Keston Avenue. Now, did you know that there is actually no Foxglove Parkway, and that Kenston Avenue, together with Rainer Av and Debonair Way are all in Palmway, California?

Have a look at this image: http://i.imgur.com/3UMVX.png (this, by the way, is the exact same thing Van Pelt sees in her computer in a previous scene, where they study the place). I highlighted the places where the limo enters and the place where Lorelei gets caught.

Now, Foxglove Parkway doesn't exist, and the place where Jane meets RJ is definitely in California. Could this be a sloppy writing? We all know Heller is one smart and meticulous guy, so I doubt it. It seems strange to me that Lorelei had to mention the place being in Vegas, when the team was back in California.

Finally, leaving locations aside, when Darcy is in the morgue checking "Rigsby's" dead body, she's on the phone with some guy named Bill.

Bill, I need you to find out A.S.A.P. where Kimball Cho and Grace Van Pelt are located.
[...]
This isn’t Wayne Rigsby. 
Yeah. Find out where they are.
Thanks. And, Bill?
I want arrest warrants prepped for every single member of that CBI team, dead or alive.

Who the heck is this 'Bill'? I believe it could be someone in the FBI. Could it be Red John's 'good friend' in the FBI? Or just some random agent? I find it intriguing that they'd make Darcy mention that name if we have never heard of him (not even now in season 5).

Please leave a comment if you have any theories or info in these 2 things ('debonair' and 'Bill') or if you found anything else out of place in The Crimson Hat.

Thanks for reading!

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walter mashburn- red john   öyle hissettim bir anda.

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I cant believe how you guys are so naive, kirkiland (or whatever his name is) isnt red john. When Lorelei said that Jane shook hands with RJ she couldnt have known that Jane  met kirkiland so that clears him of being a suspect.Also by saying that he shook hands with RJ doesent have to mean that he shook hands with him literally it could mean that he just met him or saw him. My guess is that RJ is a therapist.If you watch red sails in the sunset again you will notice that loreleis sister miranda was sold to a couple.The couple said that she was a troublesome child and that they have sent her to the therapist while she was going to high school.My guess that he is RJ.Brett Stiles isnt RJ i just know that . If therapist isnt RJ i think Mashburn is.

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Bob Kirkland.

In the E07 S05 - If It Bleeds, It Leads.

The episode ends with Bob Kirkland from Homeland Security talking to Lisbon and then greeting Jane in the corridor. The following conversation occurs: 
Bob: "oops, sorry Mr Jane."
Jane: "Do I know you?"
-HANDSHAKE-
Bob: "No... But I know you"
Scene ends with sinister music, high possibility it could be Red John, since Lora-Li escapes from Federal Prison in the next episodes.

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I think Red John is Harker Rosalind.

In Season 4 Episode  2 Jane takes Rosalind to the morgue to identify Timothy Carter body.  Watch Rosalind and her body language, she seems as if she has seen a ghost and has the look on her face that the man on the morgue table is someone she loves.  Her body language suggests to me that she is deeply connected to the dead man (lover, brother, etc).

Timothy Carter and Harker Rosalind were extremely close together and loved each other.  Carter knew that Jane would not stop searching until Jane kills Red John.  Out of love for Rosalind, Carter pretends to be Red John and knows all Jane's secrets from Rosalind telling him, he fakes being Red John and Jane kills him.  Rosalind now has an opening to stop being Red John and for Jane to stop trying to kill her since Jane thinks he has killed Red John.  After she closes her mouth with the look of horor on her face, she says I don't know this person.  You can see the emotion change at the end of this episode where Rosalind's face goes from grief to anger and says, "I have never met this man." 

In Season 4 Episode 13 "Red is the New Black," Rosalind says Red John is at her home.  Rosalind kills the morgue attendant in anger and to show Jane.  If she has hightened senses from being blind she should know a dead body is in her closet and also show similar emotion from when she was so upset the day she itenditifed Timothy Carter's body in the morgue.  But she doesn't show emotion.

Lastly she has "red" hair. Jane always has is guard down around Rosalind  because he thinks she is blind and innocent. 



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It's osvaldo ardilles.

Heller said to watch every scene closely in the crimson hat.

The scene where darcy uses a tape measure to measure the fake dead rigsby she then rings ardilles and demands warrants for arrests, this is when he finds out Patrick didn't kill Lisbon....

Quote from red John 'I found out when my good friend in the FBI found out'

Brilliant

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I have more evidence to my theory, I am just back from my walk, during which I saw a kitty cat, which was staring at me intensely as if I knew the truth! Can someone confirm that PJ shook hands with a cat? That is my only doubt about who is Red John, as I missed that moment of handshake.

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