I saw some things on the Kirkland twin thing and something just came to mind.
In season 6 I believe called red listed Bob Kirkland tries to scare Jane by cutting off the other guys fngers.

Now in the episode where Jane meets up with RJ and Loralei in the car season 5, RJ asks him to join him PJ refuses and Red John threatens or tells loralei to cut his fingers off also.

My point is Bob and his brother use the same tactics. I think Jane noticed that in Red listed.

first, sorry to be posting so much. i'm trying to round out a theory, and it is much easier to do in parts. So far, I have:Stiles reactions (both of them) imply 1 of 2 things: McCallister is RJ for sure and Stiles protects him OR no one in that house is RJ. There are ZERO other options based on how stiles reacted first with shock, secondly by begging Patrick to look at the other tattoos.possible RJ's: Partridge, Kirkland, Stiles or someone not on listNext...Partridge was killed by RJ. Heller says RJ chose to kill Partridge. So, if we take that on its face value, He IS DEAD. Why is he dead. He is part of tyger, tyger. Helped stage RJ killings. RJ was insulted he was on the list. I believe 100% that when Partridge said, "red john has been laying low for years" that he was being truthful bc he knew he was the one who staged RJ killings (sometimes making mistakes, maybe intentionally).possible RJ's: Stiles, Haffner, Kirkland, Smith, Bertram, McCallisterRosalind's description is 100% accurate. Let me explain why her account, more than anyone else's, is true. We know for a fact RJ killed the first time 25 years ago at the visualize barn. we know for a fact that even before Patrick's family was killed Rosalind was spending time with Roy and his friend. There is a very old Red John smiley face in her house. We know his friend went to prison, and had been long time friends with RJ from the beginning. So much so that his son had a loyalty to RJ and tried to help capture/kill RJ. Thus, the person Rosalind describes up to 20 years ago, but at least 15, was in fact red john. at that time Rosalind would have been quite young and RJ should have been 30-35, meaning ANY of the characters could be RJ. smith could have been thinner. Bertram, stiles, and mccallister could have had more hair. the older guys could have had better posture. In other words, Rosalind's description seems like it should help, but it doesn't. Possible RJ's: all of themThe list is specific and contains people dangerous to RJ. 7 suspects. 6 of them with the potential to damage RJ. 4 members of tyger, tyger. 1 man who is hunting him visciously, Kirkland. 1 man who knows EXACTLY who he is, Stiles. Possible RJ's: Haffner or someone not on the listRJ is NOT part of tyger, tyger. I'm not sure why people are still arguing this. It is clear that in season 2 he is trying to lead Patrick to tyger, tyger by quoting the whole poem, thus directing him at Bertram. It should be made even more clear that he gave a list of people who are in tyger, tyger, and started by killing Partridge. I believe RJ has been trying to get Patrick to get rid of tyger, tyger since the mall scene with Timothy Carter.Possible RJ: Stiles, Haffner, Kirkland, or someone not on the listRJ has not committed ANY murders between Jane's family and Eileen. For various reasons, mainly to keep Patrick at the CBI and cover up tyger, tyger crimes, TT has staged RJ killings over the years. This covers up their wrong doings and keeps Patrick at the cbi closing cases. What we learn about RJ in the beginning is that he I meticulous, makes few if any mistakes, and his killings are almost always the exact same MO. I believe he killed Patrick's family. I believe he killed Eilleen. I believe he killed Sophie Miller and Brett Partridge. I believe he MAY have killed Lorelei. That's it, and they were all women, until Brett (bc he had to kill partridge), they were all killed using RJ's MO. Throat slash (or head cut off). Every other supposed RJ killing was staged by Partridge for TT. This is furthered by Partridge "Rj has been laying low for years." A 100% true statement, Partridge knows this, bc he has staged killings.Possible RJ's: Stiles, Haffner, Kirkland or someone not on the listRJ did not bug the cbi office. Neither did visualize. Someone with 3 dots killed the PI, another murder they hoped to pin on RJ. That means that TT bugged the pit where Jane's team works. Follow me on this. That means NO ONE on Jane's team is with TT. Since Rj is NOT with TT, that means someone on Jane's team DEFINITELY GIVES INFO to RJ, whether they are bugged or working for RJ is unknown to me.possible RJ's: KirklandAs you can see, there are only 2 possibilities that are NOT eliminated. BOB KIRKLAND or SOMEONE NOT ON THE LIST.This leaves us with an interesting list of questions...1.) We have to assume 1 Kirkland is absolutely dead, Bob or Michael...but which one? The fact that he was killed by tyger, tyger after asking about the group makes me even more curious.2.) who on the cbi team is working for RJ? janes comments to Lisbon about Kirkland imply her. Van Pelt's red hair, computer skills and disdain for Jane suggest her. one of them is either bugged or passing info to RJ. 3.) If it is not one or both kirklands, which character not on the list would pass all of those tests?
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Making a case for Bob Kirkland.


Introduction:



Note: Dear mister Jane, I don't like to be slandered
in the media, especially by a dirty money-grubbing fraud. If you were a real
psychic, instead of a dishonest little worm, you wouldn't need to open the door
to see what I've done to your lovely wife and child.


Kirkland: Sorry Mister Jane.


Jane: Do I know you?


Kirkland: No. But I know you.

 


**After Jane is ‘injured’ in the vehicle, once Lorelei runs:**



Kirkland: Agent Kirkland, Homeland
Security. I need rescue south of Orr lake, forest road 42 north 12.


Jane: Who is that guy? (asking
Lisbon)

 



Jane: You don't know. You just guess.
And you didn't tell your new best friend Kirkland either.


Lisbon: I don't have any evidence, if I
did I would put you in cuff myself.


Jane: No you wouldn't.


Lisbon: Try me.

J
Jane: Hahaha...


Lisbon: What's so funny?


Jane: Nothing. Sorry. All of it's
worth it. She told me Red John and I are very much alike. That it's a wonder we
weren't best friends from the moment we shook hands.

Lisbon: You've met Red John?


Jane: Yes. He's someone I know.

 

 



Do we
honestly believe Lorelei made a ‘mistake’ by saying this? I think RJ/Bob had
told her some while back that the time had come for him to start interacting
with Patrick, and that he was going to be stepping out of the shadows (where as
we know, he has in fact been since the day Jane started at the CBI – see ‘Red
Dawn’) and ‘making direct contact’. She had no idea when or where this would
have taken place, and presumed it had already happened.

 

(There
are quite a few ways around this ‘loop hole’ – lots of speculation of course.)

 

 

 



 

1.      The Final Case for Bob Kirkland:


 


Bob was
there from the start. Jane started at the CBI and Bob was pulling the strings. (Red
Dawn – flashback episode) Alexa calls Minnelli asking him to give her feedback
on the RJ case, as well as what Patrick does. Minnelli asks ‘what’s in it for
me’? And she says, ‘its good to have a friend in the FBI’. (For the record: who
else has spoken of having a ‘good friend’ in the FBI....RJ of course) Alexa
then tells Bob Kirkland who is sitting in the limo that it has been done.

 

 



We have him saying ‘your mind is clear’ just before asking
Lennon if he recognizes him. Trigger sentence for some or other hypnotic state.
It was RJ testing as to whether previously altered states of consciousness
(hypnosis) were STILL effective. (In other words, was Lennon still ‘conditioned’
to NOT recognise RJ on hearing a certain trigger word or sentence i.e. ‘your
mind is clear’. The other men he was torturing were ALSO in fact disciples or
connected to him, and possibly also conditioned/hypnotized. (Stiles might have
assisted Bob with his mental powers back in the day)



We have the cabin. Smells of pine and earth.



We have the convenient ‘twin’ which IMHO was the story RJ
(Bob) constructed to give Jane a clue about how he would be escaping ‘whenever’
/ IF ever he was eventually caught.


We have Jane reading ‘A tale of 2 Cities’ in season 5 – a
prisoner swap is part of the storyline.



Bob was present at Lore lei’s ‘presumed to be STAGED’ death
scene, and would have done what is required.



He is the one Bertram called, once the meet was arranged.



He is also the only suspect on the list if 7 who was off the
GPS tracking when Partridge was killed – if I recall correctly?


His voice – check.



Physical description – check.



Power (the senior amongst the rest of the TT’s and suspects)
– most definitely. Homeland security takes precedence to ALL else within the
confines of law enforcement and state departments. It also provides the
broadest capabilities in terms of surveillance, access to information,
specialized equipment and more. Whilst working there – he could actually do
whatever the hell he wanted, from changing people’s social security numbers, to
making people disappear, to creating new people if he so wished. THAT is the
type of capability RJ needed to pull of his reign of terror and control the TT
group.

Logically – Homeland security rule the roost and are given
more powers and legal leeway by the very nature of their work, than any other
department or law enforcement division.



Bob get’s Minelli to step down, because he didn’t feel
Minnelli had enough control over Jane.



His actions in general, throughout his appearances: classic
sociopath – most perfectly exhibited during the murder of Jason Lennon.



So where has his twin Michael been? Probably locked in that
cabin, kept drunk/drugged and semi comatose by Bob until he was needed for
Bob’s ‘great escape’ one day.  (Prisoner
swop)

 


I still believe Jane knew Kirkland was RJ way back,

I also believe Kirkland’s comment to Jane about ‘seeing this
thing through’ or whatever it was he said when arrested; was a challenge to
Jane. 

So why did Bob/RJ abduct Jane?
Simple: he needed to be arrested in order for his ‘disappearance’ plan to work.




Kirkland is the only suspect we have seen sitting in a
limousine. Relevant yes; when that is where Wainwright was ‘posed’ to appear to
be RJ for Jane’s benefit.



Bob drinks a ‘bloody Mary’ as he works on piecing together
Jane’s notice board.


In series 5 episode 18 or 19, after Kirkland had pieced
together Jane’s ‘notice board’ he stands over the completed board which is on
the floor – his shadow over the ‘RJ’ board is symbolic – look at the stills pic
for this shot - scary.



The way he patted Jane on the left shoulder outside Lennon’s
hospital room – same way RJ did when he said, ‘Roll tide’.

What other suspect have we seen torturing people and
committing cold blooded murder without an increase in heart rate, without
pupils dilating, without even blinking. Hell, Bob could have been preparing lunch
for all the ‘emotion’ he showed. That’s true RJ style I reckon.



The finger cutting  -
a RJ trademark isn’t it?



Red Dawn = 100th episode = the major flashback
episode, directed by Chris Long (who directs the most important Red John episodes) and
this is where we see Bob Kirkland: his power, his friends, his influence, his
limousine and his face for the 1st time.

Also interesting that Alexa
ALSO tells Minelli that Jane has been in a psychiatric institution. Any guesses
as to who told her that – correct, Bob Kirkland, the man sitting with her in
the limo. Why on earth would ANYONE other than Red John, at this stage of Jane’s
life (just released from the institution, just starting at the CBI) have been
following all Jane’s movements since the murders?  Only Red John would care about this, and know
this – at this stage.

Patrick didn’t tell anyone about what Kirkland said to him
about a twin. Why? Because Jane knows what Bob is planning in terms of swopping
with his brother and Jane wants to kill RJ – without anyone knowing. ‘Red John
is mine’. He doesn’t want arrests and court cases – the aim is to kill a man who is either sitting in jail, or is already 'dead'.



Red John/Bob is cleaning up, because since season 5, when he makes 'face to face contact' with Jane for the 1st time, he has
been planning his ‘escape’ – by murdering all who know him and worked intimately
with him and then finally disappearing (because technically – he is already dead/in jail). As
Timothy Carter said, ‘RJ wants to retire’.



Bob set up the PI, knowing what Jane would do (but Jane also
knew what Bob was doing) – gather suspects together. Jane KNEW that RJ would
act when they got together in one room – he knew Kirkland would appear, but he
didn’t count on the bomb.


I’m still hoping for a Bob and Jane scene, in the park. Jane
kills him, buries the body and no-one is the wiser because Bob’s already dead.

Then Red John TRULY is his (Jane’s)



I’m on team Kirkland. Kevin Corrigan would scare the bone
marrow out of me as Red John. (I think Reed Diamond would be pretty damn scary
as well, when he pulls off that cold look – but just a little too ‘main stream ’
to really freak me out in the way Corrigan would) 



 ***I know Partridge is the most popular, but as we now know
RJ is pretty much the string puller and power broker within TT – logic says it
would have to be someone with some SERIOUS punch within the fields of law
enforcement and government.  No genuine
sociopath is going to be happy stuck in a forensics job (even if in
hiding/undercover, as it goes against their natural drives)-no power, no
massaging of the ego, no minions to walk all over, too many rules and
regulations to follow, no real freedom to act as a sociopath would. No, the
TRUE sociopath wants to make his own rules, flaunt the power he has, abuse all
that is rigid, and report to no-one. Homeland Security offers all that – and more***

 

Don't know if this means much, but we have seen 2 instances where someones fingers were cut off or were going to be cut off.

1) Red John ordered Lorelei Martins to cut off 2 of Jane's fingers.

2) Bob Kirkland cut off one of the fake suspects fingers.

I rewatched the episode with Kirkland killing the man in the hospital, but I saw one detail that caught my attention each time. When he talked to Jane in the hospital he had a different tie than when he killed the patient. Or he has many ties in this one episode or we just have witnessed his twin.

Actually, when Kirkland shook hands with Jane (inthe SAME episode that Loreli said that), Patrick said "have we met before" and Kirkland said no.

This is a crazy theory and I never ever accused Kirkland before, but I don't understand something about him.
If he is willing to torture and kill people just for information about Red John, why did he not ask the guy in hospital about him? That guy was awake and alert, he wasn't in a coma, or anything..He could have threatened him easily. 
I've never been a fan of this Kirkland twin option, but now I think that twin in the hospital could have been Michael.

Kirkland is the only suspect for me who wouldn't even bat an eyelid while killing a child. He is creepy and emotionless. With the others, I can't imagine it that easily..

What if Michael wanted to kill the tygers and planted the bomb because they killed Bob? 

Anyway, I know it's messy, I'm just thinking out loud.:)