Not a theory but an observation and inquiry on my part....

Some people have suggested that it is too obvious that Bob Kirkland is Red john and he is most likely Miranda Martins boyfriend which would explain why he killed Jason Lennon.

However, after watching Red Sails in the Sunset and There Will Be Blood, Miranda Martins was killed something around 2007.

But when we were watching the episode Red Dawn and the particular scene when Alexa Schultz and Bob Kirkland were talking with Virgil Minelli regarding getting updates on the Red John files, that was around 2003-2004.

So my question is that why was Bob Kirkland pursuing Rj when Miranda Martins was still alive anyway? The timeline of events doesn't make sense....

I don't think Bob Kirkland is Rj to be honest but he must have some other motive regarding the Red John case.

What do you al think?

Please do share your comments and suggestions!!

THE THEORY: RED JOHN IS 'MANY': Bertram +  Kirkland (+ maybe Partridge), + many other helpers/disciples.

I am sure that the words written in blood when Jared Renfrew was killed, is written by Renfrew and is "He is many".

If you were bleeding to death, and you new the killer was called something like, for example "Martin" etc., would you waste time writing "He is" in front of it?  Wouldn't you just start writing "Martin"?

Even if he was writing "He is Mary" or something like that, he would just have written "Mary" right off the bat.  Anyhow, we are all sure Red John is not a woman.

So one theory is that Red John is more than one person, plus many other assistants/helpers/friends/tools/fools or whatever you want to call them.

I would say Red John is: Bob Kirkland, Gale Bertram and maybe also Brett Partridge.  A "killer Committee" of (at least) 2 persons.  That way, you can easily explain the inconsistencies between the different 'versions' of Red John as they arise throughout the series. For example Rosalind Harker says Red John is just below six feet tall with short hair (fits both Kirkland and Partridge), he likes reciting the poetry of William Blake (fits Bertram), etc.

This is how Red John can be both short and tall, or have hair and also be bald, or have a high-pitched voice and a low voice, etc.

I would say it is also highly likely that most of 'his' helpers (like Lorelei) are also under the impression that there is only one Red John.

How did 'they' know about Jane's happy memory?  What about his psychiatrist Sophie Miller?  When Jane had his breakdown - which must have been the one time in his life in which he was not in control of himself - he could have told her at her request, possibly without remembering.  It is highly likeley that Red John was keeping tabs on Jane at the time and maybe he got access to their conversations somehow.  Sophie was not above criminal behaviour, as we remember.

How did they know about Jane's list of 7 suspects?  I can't remember if the guys that broke into the loft did so before or after Lorelei's death, but I think they did so before that.  And we see Kirkland painstakingly duplicating Jane's research.

So my bet is: Kirkland and Bertram are BOTH Red John.

Pretty easy, you know near the end of season 4 i think it is they show an FBI lady in a limo calling Bertram and asking to be kept in the loop on the red john case, then the camera moves up to kirkland - wham thats him, everybody is always reporting to him. He's controlling, later in season 5 he is manipulating Bertram to be kept in the loop again, he keeps taking suspects and jumping in when cases are obviously nothing to do with homeland security, he's just using his connections to find out how much the cops know. Also i am pretty certain the aircon guys that break into Janes room are some of his men disguised from homeland security.

We all know that one of the suspects is going to die in S6 E1 , and the only suspects that are going to appear are Gale Bertram and Brett Patridge.
We also know that GALE BERTRAM IS GOING TO APPEAR IN S6E2 so I THINK that BRETT PATRIDGE is gonna die.
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Red John killed Sam Bosco because he was tooking his case. Actually , we know that Bob Kirkland is investigating him too. But ... why hadnt he killed him?
Its one of the obvious suspects but ... now I think its him!

Will we learn who RJ is by episode 7???

http://www.spoilertv.com/2013/09/the-mentalist-episode-607-title-revealed.html

You know the part when he askes if he reconises him, "Its Important" what if Red John is wearing a mask/Plastic Surgery like CIA Agents do sometimes?

Hello, Love this website
I've seen every episode and I'm rewatching them again (in season 4 right now)

First off Jane is not Red John, they lead you down that road in season 4 but ultimately Patrick Jane is just being consistent (get the killer (like Panzer) before he kills again)
even if it means to not follow the letter of the law...what sets him off in that Panzer episode was that Darcy was going to take over the case, not that Panzer dissed Red John on TV

Obviously I'm not 100% sure but I believe Kirkland's the guy

Here's why
He fits Rosalind's description
He's soft spoken and fits the voice
He obviously has ties and friends to the FBI / CBI
His talk with Lisbon over coffee said he was from America (his parents moved around)
That's the tie that's needed to Patrick Jane's carnival days
Similar ages
He told Lisbon to stand down on Volker (Volker is the Red John type) but not on the list

I originally thought it was Partridge.
He's the creepy type but he's not the type that would get people to follow him
In the Following on Fox, that guy had charisma, the ladies liked him, he could develop a "following"....Partridge aint that guy

I loved the theories a couple weeks ago from the post that Betram was Red John (explaining the end of season 3)
After reading that I thought Bertram was the guy and Kirkland was helping
But now I believe its the other way around
Kirkland is the guy and he's got Bertram helping him (knowingly or unknowningly)

I think in season 5, Heller showed us Red John and he's Kirkland
Part I'm not sure about is Lennon saying he didnt know Kirkland (hypnotized not to remember him??) (I know that's a reach)  Kirkland killed Lennon to cover his own tracks.

I think that's why we will be disappointed when he's finally revealed...He may have already been revealed

Haffner isnt red john, he got played by Jane and he's not socially awkward, he was hitting on Lisbon when he made the offer, he was trying to get Lisbon away from Jane.. The pitch was like "Lisbon you'll always be second to his wife, even after the Red John case is solved, etc." The guy is not a psychopath serial killer...Jane showed up Haffner,(Partridge too), Red John wouldnt take that.....Jane hasnt had that control around Kirkland, Kirkland has always had the upper hand (when I rewatch season 5 again, I may have a different opinion)

Remember Red John is keeping Jane around to toy with him
It will have ties to Jane's childhood (why the father theories are out there)
We don't know enough about the first killings (that would help)
But Red John should be one person that kills the ladies the same way
If Its Kirkland (he killed Lennon out of necessity, Carter Peak too, that's why those are different

Finally i just think that Patrick Jane has been closing in, he let everybody know it at the CBI and Kirkland/Red John took the bait to break in

Kirkland didnt log all the info....He's studying it himself

Love the part where they're both studying the same board that Jane created....Who can battle to get the upper hand? How long can Kirkland hold him off?

Again, I think that's why we will be disappointed when Red John is revealed.. He already has been.....And this season is Jane getting caught up with the viewer on Red John

Thanks for your time....Looking forward obviously to Sep29