If I could forget what happened in the 8th episode, Blue Heaven would actually be really fun and nice episode, but even tho I can't, I still really enjoyed yesteray's episode..imagine my surprise, hehe
Thought this would be my last episode, but I guess not :P Gotta move on, guys, I'm sure the rest of the season is going to be great and even tho I hope for some cheeky surprise on the RJ chapter, I realise it is highly unlikely, but I will still gladly watch the rest of the show! Love ya guys, really enjoyed and still enjoy reading discussions on my favorite TV show!

Did anyone else automatically think of White Collar from the beginning to the end of this episode? It's like an exact copy (pretty much). And while it may be wishful thinking, I still think that Red John is alive and that it's Partridge. McAllister didn't give a good proof that he was RJ, while the fake one from (I think) the season 3 finale told Patrick what his family smelled like. That seems a bit strange to me.

Red John is still out there :)
did everyone miss the guy next to the slide (back to the audience)
also the Woman who tried to kill Patrick with a Knife!!!!!
game is still afoot

fandom never lose hope in the show or the writting
untill the very end! In doing so you run the risk of ruining ratings and having them can the show show before its natural end

Give them a chance to tell you the rest of the story
please as a fan have patience ... good things come to those who wait!

This show is about Red John, that's what sets it apart from the generic procedural cop shows out there. So Red John needs to either come back or they just need to end it because who wants to watch a soap opera?

10 Reasons why it still couldn't be anyone other than Patridge:

1) Consider that he was the only Suspect in the pilot, the last name on the list of 7, and the first to be "Killed Off".
2) He was the only one to really fit the body type correctly. All the others basically had to loose weight this season to try and look skinnier so you'd think they could possibly be RJ.
3) This latest ordeal with getting the Sheriff to tell Jane he was RJ isn't even the first time he's blackmailed someone to (actually be innocent of it and) admit to the exact same thing (It's RJ's M.O.). Jane got off after killing that other Guy too. Of course he had to go to trial that time where as this time he just hung out on some island for a couple years until the Feds wanted to use him, but you get the jist of it…
4) Patridge / RJ's hand was pushed so he had to deal with Lisbon's GPS / wire tap by publicly killing himself off to get him off the list before he could orchestrate the rest of drama to come. Remember Lisbon turned around to look at the door and was then grabbed by someone, except the only someone in the corner of the room with no windows or doors was Patridge who had been on the floor faking like he was bloody and dying until he hopped up stepped back and then grabbed her. Why else would he lure her there and then do nothing to her. He never planned to kill her, it was all just a ruse to get himself out of the spotlight so that he could take out the rest of the chumps on the list and then pin it to the final chump.
5) Jane surmised that Partidge had to have helped the Sheriff fake the other deaths in the bombing, which the Sheriff admitted was true, but how could he if he (Patridge) had been dead for weeks?
6) The never showed Patridge's death crime scene or body and when Cho went to the Morgue he never looked at the face under the plastic. Obviously RJ is well capable of faking peoples deaths, he proved it with the bombing,
7) For such a smart and complex character that snooze of an episode last week entitled "Red John" would have been an insult to the intelligence of anyone who has been watching this show for years if it wasn't so comical to then watch the scores of "fans" out there who are apparently willing to roll over and except that b.s. explanation! I apologize to those of you who think we "Patridge Pointers" come across as "Know It Alls", but speaking for the only person I can speak for (which is obviously Myself) it just seems so obvious that I honestly cant understand how Everyone who really watches the show doesn't see it?
8) The Sheriff clearly wasn't afraid of heights when he got up on that roof and could have easily killed Jane then, so why would he wait until the church to kill him unless he was then black mailed into doing so by the real RJ (Partridge) who knew Jane was too smart not to be ready for the Sheriff and would most likely kill him, essentially taking care of removing him from the list of living suspects, each one of which is a part of a combined threat when alive because they could ultimately be shown not to be the real RJ? No, Jane is still alive because RJ wants, or more fittingly, needs him to be. He completes him LOL… He's his Yen to his Yang.
9) RJ was also of course part of that crazy "Visualize" cult and was one of two younger members roughly 20 years earlier involved with the early days of the cult being set up where those peoples bodies were found under that red barn. The other younger member was thought to have been "Ray Haffner". The Sheriff isn't Ray's age, though Patridge was pretty dang close.
10) In William Blake's "A Brace of Patridge" through death the Patridge is strengthened by the brace. So too was Red John when embracing the notion that Blake presents through "Tyger Tyger" that the same Almighty Creator of the Stars and Heavens (and the Lamb) also created the fearful symmetry of the hunter / beast / Tyger (the Devil and the Evil within him). In his warped mind justifying (at least to him) what he is / does.

new topic: big battle

Teresa Lisbon vs Kim Fischer.

I'am gonna explain it in very simple way that everybody will get it.


If you still saying; "Red John might be someone else except Brett Partrige" then believe me you haven't solved the puzzle yet.
And believe me Bruno Heller knows too. But maybe he is trying to make something different. you know..
Like not a happy ending.
maybe very sad ending (imagine a Red John fooling everybody except a few of viewers.. even Patrick..)

as you know this show has two option to go end. like every other shows. (good, bad / happy, sad)

FIRST- Discovering who Red John is. (Attention: not killing, busting, stabbing... "just knowing his identity. thats enough for happy ending.) and it means we have a winner and that is Patrick Jane.

SECOND- Not knowing his ID. but this one might have TWO winners. One of it certain. he is Red John. other winner is Patrick Jane buut this  depends on rest of the episodes that will come..

Now. As you* know (I mean the True solvers*) FIRSTone didn't happen.
SECONDone did.
well. but can we have TWO winners? if you ask..
simple: Red John didn't die (yet) and nobody know his ID (yet) but everybody knows he did die. and his ID has just appeared. even Patrick think that so.
-so Patrick thinks he is the WINNER
-Red John knows he is the WINNER.

Now we have TWO option again.

ONE- İn the next episodes, if we're gonna see happy patrick but clues. it means Patrick is also going to keep his WINNER position.

TWO - Buut if we're gonna see a little clues as like other 5 seasons before we did. we will and probably Patrcik will know he is not a WINNER actually.(and i think this is the option we will see and Patrick will see.)


And how come you couldn't see the thing Bruno was trying to say us?

if you remember at 06x08. during at the scene which was Patrick and Lisbon sitting at bench and talking about the pigeons. in that scene patrick says very odd thing. he was comparing the pigeons to little dinosaurs. maybe you are gonna say to me fool or crazy. but it was really the word non-essential to say. little dinosaurs? pigeons? how come is that? and if you remember in the end we have seen a guy standing front of a old slide.

A dinosaur slide.

yes. Red John is "still" Brett Partrige.