Hey guys I just wanted to let you know the Brett Stiles has
been ruled out as a Red John Suspect



http://www.tv.com/shows/the-mentalist/fire-and-brimstone-2974025/



This website has as the description given by CBS
the following: Jane tries to get all his REMAINING Red John suspects in one
place so, with the final clue, he can reveal the killer's identity.



Aside from the main cast (Jane's team) we have
the following:



Drew Powell (Reede Smith) 

Reed Diamond (Ray Haffner)

Xander Berkeley (Sheriff McAllister) 

Michael Gaston (Gale Bertram)



I never thought it was him so I'm not disappointed. What do you guys think of
Brett being ruled out? And what is your opinion on the list being shortened
every episode?

 

In the episode where Hightower is framed as the killer of Todd Johnson (Season 3, episode 16), Bertram, in a strange scene with Lisbon and J.J. LaRoche, quotes the poem "Cradle Song" by William Blake:
"And when thy little heart doth wake / Then the dreadful night shall
break." (LaRoche was the one who identified it as Blake.) Red John
quoted a different poem, "Tyger Tyger"
by William Blake, to Jane when he rescued him from being killed by
deranged college kids who were killing people Red John- style. On his
deathbead in a hospital burn unit, Todd Johnson's last words were the title of that poem.


Also, Bertram R. Forer was a scientist that experimented The Barnum
Effect for the first time (also known as Forer Effect), which is related
to cold reading (the ability to gain information about someone without
that person realizing that they are actually giving the information
themselves) which is what Jane often does and a skill that Red John must
be very good at. It might be a coincidence, but it can also be
something that Bruno Heller wants the viewers to think about. In a
previous interview Heller stated that Red John likes the cold, a
statement that has been often interpreted for cold weather, but there is
a possibility that cold in the sentence is related to cold reading
instead.

I was thinking about "Tyger, Tyger"... A password used inside an organization. Well, why would you put a password inside a crime organization? I dont think (but I'm not sure either) that Mafia has any password(s), for the simple fact that they know each-other.
A password, IMO, is used to recognize other members inside same organization.
This shows up that members inside "Tyger, Tyger Inc." does not know about each-other (mostly), only when working togheter, or in special moments (e.g. when one is dying, and there is other person(s) witnessing).

Using Reede Smith and cop driver pattern. Smith said used "Tyger, Tyger" password, having knowledge that if the drivers responds in the same way, they are both in same organization.
Why would others say "Tyger, Tyger" as their last words? Maybe just to know if they were killed by their organization.
Two exemple pops in my head right now:

    Todd Johnson to Patrick Jane
    Brett Partridge to Teresa Lisbon

Also, the head on this organization is Red John, as he said the first strophe on the poem, not only "Tyger, Tyger". Nobody else said more than first two words.

Thoughts?

At first I thought it was just an obvious reference on camera when PJ and Reede shook hands. I think there's been many times over the years that certain actions are hypnotic triggers and am wondering if a handshake is one if them. I don't believe Reede is RJ but it seemed so intentional when he shook Patricks hand.

Bob Kirkland asks Alexa Shultz to get information on Jane via Virgil Minelli and later Madelin Hightower. Alexa could be working for "Tyger, Tyger" group. The conversation below makes me doubt that though.

Was she working with Kirkland all along? Bob Kirkland was shown to highly prepared. He bought all possible combonations of the coffee to be prepared. Does he have fail safe plans in the event of his death? Do they involve other people?

Alexa Shultz and Gale Bertram talk before a press conference as a court house. Here is the conversation.
Bertram: Alexa. Hi. (Chuckles) We still have a deal, right?
Alexa: I'd rather eat spiders, but, yeah, we still have a deal.
Bertram: Good, good. God, you look fabulous, by the way. Camera ready. Is--is my tie straight?
Alexa:  You understand, Gale, this matter doesn't end here. You have to give us Lorelei Martins, or there'll be consequences down the line.
Bertram: Consequences for whom? It was your agents that killed the best chance we've had yet of catching Red John. It was your Agent Darcy that killed Wainright.
Alexa: Tragic outcome in a deadly force situation. Agent Darcy is devastated. She's had a nervous collapse, in fact. Your people committed deliberate crimes.
Bertram: Well, that's debatable. Look! We have agreed to a cover-up. That's the deal. If you're saying now that... (Chuckles) you're gonna dig this all up again unless I do your bidding, then no deal. No, let--let's tell the truth right now. An FBI agent shot and killed a CBI agent in the midst of a botched operation. It'll be a huge scandal, we'll probably lose our jobs, but I'm sure we'll both feel better for it


Alexa Shultz and Robert Kirkland were working together for a long time as shown in Red Dawn. She was forwarding information on Patrick Jane.

From the conversation above I would say she is not in Tyger, Tyger.

Who is Alexa Shultz loyal to?

Who is Gale Bertram loyal to?

I think Bertram is Red John and either controls, works for, or maybe against the "Tyger Tyger" group. I am not sure which. The groups origins will be important in figuring that out.

My guess is that Brett Styles starts Tyger Tyger for visualize protection purposes. Burtram might have assisted in its creation.

Burtram(Red John) might hold some grudge against Visualize and Brett Styles so it working against their protective organization to destroy the church.

just an idea. I really am not sure. I am going with Bertram as Red John. The details could vary a lot.

Just one question:

If Kirkland wants to catch Red John plus investigate the intern Tyger Tyger Mafia what shall we think about Bertram?

Scene 1 : The "Can we trust anyone" scene where Kirkland appears after Bertram spoke to Lisbon.
This one leads me to the conclusion that they were working together in order to actually catch the "Tygers" and since they dont know who is part of the club they dont know who they can trust.

Scene 2 : The little meeting with Tom, Bertram and Smith. Smith asking " how much does jane know" , bertram answering " that is the question" on wich smith replies " its your job to know"
This one makes me believe Bertram is part of the conspiracy.

I dont know what to make of it, if you have any thoughts please share them.

People are talking about Red John's voice. We all seen Red John's "skills" with computers. What I want to point out is that he could alter his voice digitaly, then using it while talking. And in "Red Sky in the Morning", he could use a HQ speaker.

After all, he hacked CBI internal servers (or w/e), and he couldn't do this?

Please post your thoughts.

When I'll have some time, I'll submit my theory about "Tyger, Tyger" organization.