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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KEpoGUfzt4 Listen carefully to that sound around 19-21s when smiley face appears. If i remember correct, that sound is played often when something with RJ is shown to us. Now rewatch last seconds of episode 6x08. That sound appears again, and a while later we are seeing back of a man with a child (also we hear creepy laugh and another weird sound).
Maybe that's the real RJ? Especially that episode is also named "Red John" :D.

- Jane still wears wedding ring,
- someone at this site pointed out titles of 4x13 and 6x13 (4x13 - Red Is The New Black, 6x13 -Black Helicopters),
and a lot other theories here supports the one that RJ is still alive!

The person who killed Ardiles could be RJ. Why no smiley face? Coz PJ and RJ now are fighting 1v1 to see, who is better. RJ started to killing old CBI members untill PJ catch him. Patrick is last on the list :).

Sorry for bad English!

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SORRY FOR BRINGING SHERLOCK BACK AGAIN.TRULY SORRY.IF YOU ARE AGAINST IN WHAT I'M DOING PLEASE IGNORE THE REST OF MY POST AND PRESS UNLIKELY IMMEDIATELY.



Didn't Moffat (Sherlock's one of the two writers) stated that Moriarty is dead?Well, if that's the deal, then we must reconsider about how much we can trust the words of Heller.Seriously, Sherlock's last episode gave me hope over Mentalist.

Besides, it isn't the writers' fault if they trick the audience.They can't simply spoil stuff, and of course there is the unexpected.Maybe Sherlock made a big hit and renewed so even the writers were obligated to bring Moriarty back in a way.What I mean is, even if RJ isn't dead, Heller can't say it.And if Heller doesn't want to bring RJ back, then something probably gonna change his mind.

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someone please answer this for me,during the episode where jane was talking to his teenage daughter,what did she mean when she asked him,(do they know who you really are)? 

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What's the significance of Cho telling Jane that he is acting crazy like the early days?
It felt like a really random line, very out of place.
I would give my own theories as to why, but I have only one.
That is to say that RJ is still alive, but there have got to be other possibilities. 
I just can't think of any.

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So, there are questions about Jane, and yet, Stoopkid has made a good point about how Jane would never kill his family.  I have to agree with that, especially considering that Jane has always seemed to have a special relationship with children in general.

But I also remember a movie called Shutter Island about a man that invents another persona because wanted to avoid the guilt and shame of the reality of his life: that his wife killed their children, and in turn -- when he came home and found what she had done, he killed her.  The man lived in the belief that he was a marshall on the hunt for his wife's killer.

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So, about the Jane/ RJ scenes where he appears or talks on the phone with PJ...great explanation how, based on the movie My bloody Valentine starring Ackles....im waching it for the 2 time carefully just to point out here things that are maybe happeining in The Mentalist....Ok so this movie is a horror....an it has too much blood and extreme situations unlike the Mentalist wich is something different, i get it.

For ones who didnt watch the movie...In a small town cave-in on the north side of a Hanninger mine trapped six miners. Six days later, rescue teams found five dead miners and the comatose Harry Warden , who survived by killing the other miners with a pickaxe, allowing himself to breathe. Tom Hanniger, the mine owner's son, was blamed for the mine disaster because he forgot to vent the methane lines, but also Harry Warden for killing the miners.

This part below i would refer to the Mentalist also. The part bolded is here because i would like to show you that both of characters Tom and PJ were blamed for something. PJ was a prime suspect for killing his family and Tom was for the reason he led to the death of those people. To them both that must have some inner emotions established. Also to notice, Jane was the one in the mental hospital for some period, that also "marked him".

 A year later, Valentine's Day, Warden wakes from his coma in the hospital, and goes on a murderous rampage.

Yes, Warden woke up and indeed killed half of the hospital, and by that time Tom (Ackles) was not the one killing, like in the Mentalist....my theory was that maybe Carter was RJ that killed PJ s family and than PJ had a breakdown when he killed Carter...just like Tom in the movie when was almost killed by Warden but saved by the police wich you will read under in the text....

 Meanwhile, at the abandoned mineshaft that was the site of the disaster, a party is in full swing, attended by many teens, including Axel Palmer , his girlfriend, Irene , Tom Hanniger (Jensen Ackles), and his girlfriend, Sarah,. Tom was initially relucant to go to the mine party, but he goes anyway. He leaves Sarah and goes back to his car to pick up some beers before departing inside.

That was still warden killing.....

Sarah goes in alone and gets lost looking for Axel and Irene. She runs across a teen and a few seconds later he is stabbed through his eye. She is confronted by Warden in full miner's garb, carrying a bloody pickaxe, and she flees, finding several dead bodies. Axel grabs her and they, along with Irene, hide from the killer. Warden eventually sees the trio, and they run out of the mine, meeting Tom as he comes in. The killer hits Tom with the pickaxe, injuring him, while the other three run for the car. Tom spots them but Axel escapes with Sarah and Irene, abandoning Tom. Tom runs back into the mine in an attempt to escape Warden.

 Before Tom can be killed, the police arrive and shoot Warden, who makes his getaway back into the mine. Tom also appears shocked by the events. Ten years later, Tom's father, from whom Tom has been estranged, dies and Tom inherits the mine. Tom returns to town after his father's funeral to sell the mine, having vanished since the incident and it was unknown where he was....

..... SKIPPED A PART OF THE PLOT WITH NO IMPORTANCE...


NOW THE INTERESTING PART....Tom is visiting his newly inherited mine. In the mine, Warden appears and forces Tom into a chain-link chamber and bends the metal latch on the door, making Tom unable to escape. Warden then murders William "Red" Kirkpatrick  the miner who was accompanying Tom. Before the rest of the mining crew arrive, Warden flees, and suspicion falls on Tom, despite the fact that he was locked in a cage the entire time. Now this part is the part where Warden is long dead but still hunts down people wearing a mask so that we dont see the face he is hiding...Toms face...JUST LIKE RJ.

So you can see Tom being hit by Warden, you can see them looking each other face to...well not face but mask....you would say to yourself that is Warden indeed, he survived and now came back to kill the group one by one....and you can see "Warden" trap Tom in something similar to a cage and than go and kill the rest of the miners but....that is not true....it is very well made by the producers...Tom wich was the killer people assumed as it was Warden  with the mask first killed the workers and then he trapped himself in the whatever that was...cage.

That would explain PJ tied to a chair.....he was kidnapped? Yes. Tied to a chair? Yes. But by who? Did he first kill those kids and tied himself up? Maybe.....remember, he was working in a circus...tying up himself was a piece of cake and releasing himself also...

And the phonecalls in fron of Lisbon? Imagination combined with crazyness.

The disciples talking to Patrick as he is not RJ? Well....honestly, every disciple that knew who was RJ had something crazy in his character so i wpuldnt be surprised if for example Lorelei wanted to chop the finger of PJ...i mean, those people die for him....

And yes, those unexplainable parts where we see PJ and RJ at the same time....those are the moments where the BA took their part and copied RJ or something.

If it ends up something different, thats ok.....this was just my idea of things....it was fun to write this anyway....:) 

Hope our theories will come true....well atleast the ones where its not the end of RJ :) 





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This is a repost from a few days ago...
I wanna know what people think of WHY Red John only acts through Patrick??
He has killing career before Jane but it seems that after he killed Patricks family he is limlited to PJ related issues...

Red John is a popular serial killer who is suppose to have a huge ego and much fame with his followers .
Weird thing to me is that Jane did not create or start Red John to be a killer.

But it seems that Red John only makes a move as it pertains to Jane.
Like he only cares about killing and being Red John ONLY if Jame or somethting involving Jane is a factor.

**Red John after Jane started at CBI killed :
~Jared Wrenfrow -janes witness
~Red john copycats- to save janes life
~Bosco and his team- for jane to get his case back
~Madeline Hightower(failed attempt)- framed for killing janes suspect.
~Wayneright- Fired Jane and stopped Jane from doing his job.
~Panzer- Jane wanted Ref John to kill him
~Lorelie Martins(maybe dead)- Janes biggest witness.
~Sophie Miller - Janes psychiatrist
~Janes happy memory- Nuff said
~Kira Tinsley- Dated Cho also a Jane suspect.
~Brett Partridge- All a ploy to trap Lisbon
~Lisbon- Taken and marked obviously Janes girl.
~Janes House- Who knows who died and what happend.

**When Jane killed Timothy Carter the world thougt Red John was dead.
So what does this ego maniac do?? Nothing !
He waited until Agent Darcy was snooping around to prove he was alive !
Basically he waited until someone was questioning Jane to prove he was alive .
Most likely knew that jane knew he was alive .

****MY POINT :
Red John only does his ghastly deeds if it somehow relates to Jane.
Otherwise he seems to not have any other agenda.
IT SEEMS AS IF RED JOHN HAS FRONT ROW TICKETS TO JANES LIFE .
LIKE HE IS WATCHING EVERYTHING TRANSPIRE LIKE ITS A MOVIE STARING PATRICK JANE.
IF JANE WAS NOT WORKING, RED JOHN WOULDNT DO ANYTHING !
He would take his 401K ill and retire. Argue on this theory or rate it.

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