just my opinion but, i think Haffner's a pretty good suspect. He most fits rosalind harkers description, lisbon was unharmed after the attack (haffners made it more than obvious he likes her). yes there was that time PJ worked a case with haffner an PJ manipulated him completely but maybe that was just haffner pretending to fall for PJs tricks as to not reveal himself as RJ. Hes a member of visualize so would probably have no trouble getting willing minions to help him with the dirty work..... like i said thou just my opinion!

the show was delayed for a football event,and ray haffner was a football player=its him red john
EASY AS FUCK

I won't argue about the identity of RJ in this post. I just like to know, why do some of you believe that the list is fake.

I think the list is genuine and Patrick Jane made it to the best of his knowledge (Although he could be wrong). Why?

- He already planted a fake list. Kirkland got it. So, his list was protected. Another faked list.
- I like the idea of Lorelei and Patrick faking the video, but I can't see the point of it. RJ would not be thrown of the hook by it. He would know it's fake. And as far as we know nobody outside the team did see or hear about it. So, either you suspect someone on the team or the video is genuine
- Patrick did include people on the list that do not fit all the descriptions of RJ (Betram is bold, Smith is too tall and too big boned). He was carefull not to eleminate anybody on account of potential false information.

So, where do you think I'm going wrong. What have I missed?

Author Ken Woodruff don't
exclude non of these 5 suspects.

hypothesis
1
RJ kills Partridge, posing as a Tyger and leaves him alive so
that it says the words .

RJ hired Kira Tinsley, saying that
he's aVisualize member, and sends in her clumsy mission, then makes
her murdered by a Tyger minor member, in some way, but it makes sure
it stays dying and send Jane out of the way, or do you see in the gym
with a fake tattoo, of temporary ones.

Jane tip so the three
Tyger, pretends to have taken the bait, maybe put the bomb; he used
to shoot blanks, perhaps against McAllister . In this way does come
out RJ, which could be Haffner .

hypothesis 2
RJ takes Kira
to a task, that Jane finds easily.
RJ kills her, in a hurry, let
her live, he also caught with the tattoo, goes out again to the risk
of being killed along with the other two.

What is more
believable as a hypothesis ?
Then, maybe it's 2 with McAllister or
Bertram, but the first seems “more RJ”. He had already to suffer
the handshake revelation and the list, is just stupid if he do it, he
could shoot a blow dry or use the taser with detective.

1 )
leaves alive Renfrew that write He is Mar - ked, before die
2 )
says the poem Tyger Tyger
3 ) leaves alive Johnson that says Tyger
Tyger
then there's Carter, fake RJ
4 ) leaves half alive
Partridge Tyger Tyger
5 ) leaves alive detective that sees the
tattoo of Tygers

RJ seems to have become a dumb, how many
leaves clues? Before, he left only DNA on the Peak's body and then
the handshake, with Lorelei, suddenly becomes naive? seems to want to
fit the Tygers and in particular to present at the mall, Bertram.

In
addition, Baker, he replied that he is not saying that it is all
true, but it's really smart, when a fan asked in a videochat on TV,
if Haffner and Stiles are RJ and others only Tygers corrupts.

The
actor who plays RJ, told TV Guide that thought, “truth to be told”,
to be a red herring.
Diamond in two interviews and one tweet using
that same expression, quite rare, the others 6 actor don't use its.


The clues are many, the red
herrings are many, but: is Ray Haffner Red John?

I think Theory #10369 may have hit the nailhead pointing out that while Brett Partridge will appear in 6x08, Bob Kirkland won't.

Call me crazy, but this can be too good or too bad for the script. On one hand, and just as 10369 says, it could mean that RJ is Partridge, which would be lame, mainly because the classic "specialist on reknown murderer turns out to be the murderer" is a card that has already been played in the show with the San Joaquin Killer.

On the other hand, Partridge could participate in a flashback, most surely in red John's flashback / confession, when he says why he killed him.

So, I think this is very, very important: If Partridge will appear in RJ's confession flashback and Kirkland won't, this can only mean that Kirkland's death wasn't on RJ's account, this meaning he didn't commit it, nor did he order it.

Brett Partridge in 6.08 could mean many things, but to me it is (I hope it is) the proof that RED JOHN and TYGER TYGER are not the same thing, which would reduce the list to 2 suspects now, or even outside the list.

I think it's Haffner. In the end it might not be him at all, but again, what's important of this posts are the previous paragraphs and not the conclussion

Hey, guys!
Just because we see Jack Plotnick (Brett Partridge) will appear on Red John's Episode... it doesn't mean the ONLY answer is that HE IS Red John.

After all these years, all this time of mistery.. do you really think they would release such information to reveal the truth like that... easily... specially in this age, where they know for sure everybody talk about it on Web and get the most informations as possible from there? I don't think so.
It must be a kind of trap.. as many times we saw. Probably (and it could a be a good explanation) he participates to show us something about the past...and revealing some information which we still don't know. Simple like that.

Anyway. And  that's why I still believe the real one is Haffner.. who seems to fit on many clues of RJ, and in this exactly moment, everybody thinks he is not the one..after he 'passed the tatoo test'.
Yeah... the 3 suspects on the wall are the bad guys in some way... but the most important ones are who stayed on the Jane's back side...and 'put out' of our view ad aim. Stiles is not RJ, but has strong connection (he's the father or the mentor/master of RJ..whatever) and Haffner.... of course...must be... our guy.


Well. Thank you for attention.
Just put your comments and your 'plausible' click, if you agree.

Big hug, friends.
See you in 2 weeks... on Episode 8, finally.

probably Rj has not the 3 dots tattoo. Maybe it was planned by Rj. But, you realized that both without the dots are from visualize? Only those who work for the police (tiger tiger) have it. My theory about making us think as a visualize thing may become true. Leaving us to Bret Stiles, with Ray reaveling him self át. The last moment.

Ray still with the clark kent face.

Like someone said. Bruno was honest with the list, he wont be with the tatto.

Would be interesting someone killing RJ or he dying for others causes. So it wouldn't be obvious.

Bruno said he'll be gone by the end of the season, but the audience could find out at the last moment it's Ray, and Keep PJ thinking it's Stiles, who would pretend to be RJ.