Not accusing anyone, just pointing something out: if you have the curiosity to rewatch episode 1 from season 2, in the opening scene when Jane is interrogating the people from the store where a man was killed, at minute 2.21 he asks a man "You, your name!", and he sais "REEDE". Then, few seconds later, he speaks with that intitled women, Mandy Schultz, who says that her husband, "JOHN" is a very important man. I`m not paranoid to think that they know something about Red John, but, still, how weird is that? Honestly, it is just fascinating :D

in Strawberries and Cream part 1 at 33:35 when jane is looking at the cash in motion list  i have notice Important names , it's ( Reed and Cooper and Ellis) maybe re john is one of them , that is why he wanted the cash in motion list , and i think it's reed smith because he is the only one who is on the season 5 finally list and also on the cash in motion list

Not accusing anyone in particular but I wanna say I agree with the post a couple below me about Lorelei maybe beng alive. Youtube the scene where she is dead and it doesnt look right, she looks asleep, with very little blood, Kirkland is watching her closely (could easily be in on it, seems he has to be a disciple at least). It does not look like the other RJ murders and Jane reacts in a very suspicious way. He surveys it closely and then tries to get out of there quickly by saying "she had it coming"(maybe to not give away what he knows to Lisbon?) Heller loves twists like this, and so its not unthinkable that Jane discovered RJ's plan and countered with a fake list. Other evidence to back her possibly being alive is when Jane and Lisbon are talking he says "if we assume Lorelei is telling the truth.." rather than "if we assume Lorelei WAS telling the truth.." shes dead right? I doubt thats just a mistake. Also when they are talking about why Jane cant tell Lisbon who is on the list he says I cant because one of them is inside the CBI. The final list has two CBI agents, Haffner and Betram, so that doesnt make sense. Plenty of reasons to think the list is fake. If anyone has any explanation for these mishaps Id like to hear cuz it doesn't seem right that the writers just made a mistake that big

Another theory I had today not particularly about RJ. Heller says RJ is on the list, but Im guessing season 6 will reveal that Jane planted evidence that would mislead Red John. RJ then thinks he is a step ahead of Jane when he is actually one behind bc Jane has a different list. This requires that Lorelei wasnt really dead, which I kind of suspected anyway, it just didnt look right. Kirkland or somebody fed RJ the info and he pretended to make the predictions before "killing" Lorelei. I'm guessing he knew about the happy memory because he is either a therapist (Dr. Joe N.H.?) that Jane saw when he was insitutionalized or one of his therapists gave RJ this information. This makes sense because one way or another the institutionalization has to become relevant. I think Lorelei was told to tell jane they had shaken hands to mess with him. When its said and done I think RJ will either be someone closer to jane (Rigsby?), or more likely Susan Darcy. The fact that she shot into the backseat of the car in the finale of season 4 was all too suspicious, why not shoot the tires? Also in "The Crimson Hat" RJ tells Jane he is "all too debonair" or something like that. and then seconds later the street sign says "debonair." I think Susan or another FBI agent in the car with her made that call and thought they were being clever.

[This is my first post - I've been reading others' for hours, but sorry if this has all already been said. This is sort of just a random jumble of my RJ related thoughts.]

I am finding it very difficult to figure out who Red John is from Jane's final list. In my opinion, they are all either too obvious, or just wrong in some way. 

Bret Styles, for example - he's a freaking cult leader with hundreds of willing followers at his disposal. Not to mention he knew where to find Kristina Frye. He is just too Red John-ish for me to think he actually is RJ. Unless he is obviously too obvious (if that makes sense haha), a sort of 'hiding in plain sight' deal. But I don't think so.

As for the people who are obviously wrong - Reede Smith. Apart from the fact that he is such a minor character who barely made any impression, he just doesn't fit Rosalind's description. Unless she was lying for some reason (but I doubt it).

Bertram is an interesting possibility - I thought it would be almost funny if it was him, and the whole 'assassin with the rope' thing was a sort of game for him. Imagine if he was RJ, and Jane had been this close to accusing him of being an accomplice before figuring out the significance of the rope, and nabbing O'Loughlin. However, Bertram just doesn't seem smart or 'mentalist' enough to be RJ... Unless it's all an act. 

The only people I seriously considered were Kirkland and Partridge. To be frank, they both give me the creeps. Partridge definitely has the high voice, and Kirkland is all kinds of suspicious. But neither of them feel like Red John, although they definitely could be followers.

Honestly? I think when Bruno Heller said that RJ is 'definitely on the final list' he was misleading us. I suppose he would have to say that regardless of if he was or not - if he said 'maybe' then the whole storyline would be for nothing. He is very clever in his interviews, like he is playing a game with us all. I think he is a bit of a genius, and I am convinced that he has been subtly giving us RJ's identity this whole time - we just have to put together the right clues.

There are still a lot of things bothering me - the whole 'he is mar/man' thing has been on my mind throughout the whole show, as has Kristina Frye and 'roll tide'. Everything must connect somehow...

What I do know is that Red John has to be someone who is a lot like Jane (either openly or under the surface): charismatic, highly intelligent, manipulative, a very capable hypnotist, warm on the surface with coldness underneath. If it wasn't such an already disproven theory, I might suggest Jane himself.

Anyway, sorry for this ramble - I'm sure it's all been said. I just needed to put my random RJ thoughts out there before they drove me insane. This site is incredible!

in Strawberries and Cream part 1 at 33:35 when jane is looking at the cash in motion list  i have notice Important names , it's ( Reed and Cooper and Ellis) maybe re john is one of them , that is why he wanted the cash in motion list , and i think it's reed smith because he is the only one who is on the season 5 finally list and also on the cash in motion list

Patrick being held in Child Protection Services (CPS) can lead this story to somewhere else? Or somewhere specific? I mean there might be 2 main reasons why you were taken by that institution would be:

a- You're and orphan and they take you in for protection until 18yo, or until someone comes adopting you
b- You get exposed to violence, abuse or exploitation by your family members, and you are taken under protection for some time

What was the reason behind Patrick's involvement with CPS? He said he "spent a little time there", this makes us think that he might have been involved in option B but the concept "a little time" can be argued. Such rounded expressions are used when one feels bad about something he/she experienced.

So, can we think that Patrick was adopted by Alex whereas he was actually someone else's child? Or we should think that Alex is his real father but he was so wicked that his boy could end up being in CPS after whatever happened between them? What do these 2 options give us as clues? If anyone can generate a theory in this perpective, please share. We knew about the asylum but this CPS thing is rather new and must not be empty. He could have just seen tat institution on his way to somewhere but he feels the necessity to inform us about his involvement as a reason why he knows the place already. So I think it can't be just simple like talking about hamburgers right?