The whole RJ thing is getting boring and out of hand. Just unmask him and get it over with so we can get back to PJ being his normal annoying self please!

What a strange episode last night!?! We did however get some good clues. 

First off, this show needs to go back to a week night. Football is killing the start time and my DVR can't keep up!

So what did we get. Well, we get Brett Stiles helping Patrick break Lorelei out of prison. How? We aren't sure? Is he connected to the prison, do Visualize members work there? I dunno. Stiles doesn't seem to think its a good plan but he makes it work no problem. Here is Stiles again in a RJ themed episode and the movie they were watching looked like North by Northwest, which if I remember correctly, is a story about mistaken identity! He also calls him "Mr. Jane" (as opposed to his usual fatherly Partrick) and admits Jane amusses him. 

We got LM telling PJ he's already shaken hands with RJ and that they are alike. This is odd because I always thought PJ avoided most hand shakes?! He interuppted Stiles on stage the first time they met, no handshake there?!? Yet, I can't believe that LM knows him and Kirkland have met yet either. We know PJ can usually ask people questions and get the right answers, will he just be going nuts and asking people if they are RJ? We in the audience now will be!

We also have LM's dead sister (strange story) this I'm sure this story will come back later but why would RJ break MO in this killing (no cutting, no rape.) And we have LM dealing with her sister's death in a very Visualize kinda way. Yet she is acting convinced that it isn't RJ not so much in a loyal way but in an almost I really know who did way.

The whole episode is seems to be shifting us back to BS and away from Kirkland who has been creepy the last 2 eposides. 

So from it all I take away.
1) RJ is a man. So please no more post about how it might be GVP!
2) PJ knows RJ, met him, touched him.  So please no more posts about his Father or an unknown an twin brother.
3) Visualize is connected somehow. Stiles might not even know it but hes too connected to the story.
4) Kirkland knows something we still dont, "its complicated" he tells Lisbon whe she asks why he's even involved. He is either after or protecting (knowling or unknowingly) RJ, Stiles, PJ, or there is something about the RJ victims. After all common bonds between victims is investigating 101 in a police procedural. I just don't believe a Homland security guy has risen up the ladder while being a serial killer.

Till next week! Keep posting, keep watching this great show!

I don't really have a theory on who Red John is because a lot of the facts we pick up from the episodes could just be garbage, the characters could be lying.

Or worse based on the suspects here we have to chose from , how could someone like Jane not figure out who he is, having met him and all(or shook hands). From this I gather the identity of Red John is either going to be really surprising or a complete disappointment.

If it's any of the main cast that person is most likely going to be a pathological liar with their psychotic ways under control, and can obviously fool Jane without difficulty. I've had experience with these types of people and in my unprofessional opinion his best chance to find out who RJ is, is to get him alone, one on one.

You all have it very wrong!!! Red John is Patrick Jane's dad (or relative) from his circus years. He has the cunning to pull this off. Also, he knows PJ very well and was disappointed when PJ couldn't carry out tasks that he had told him to do. He knows PJ well enough to come back and taunt him.

I guess that with the new infos of the 5x08 episode we should restart
from the beginning, sign up all people that had shook hands with PJ and
then use all the others details we have to figure out who RJ is, but
cause i can do that by myself i'm asking the help of all the people that
can rewatch a couple of episoides and help me make a new list of suspects

I am not sure precisely who red john is, but my theory centers around 2 key points. 1.) I believe "he is mar" was the beginnings of he is MARRIED. Shortly before O'laughlin is killed he takes back the necklace that he told Grace "it was my mothers." I think that the locket may be a clue to who red john's wife may be, as i suspect o'laughlin to be red john's son. I also believe kirkland to be a son of Red john's, which would put RJ at an age i always suspected, in his 50's. My theory is that RJ's family is a police family, i would imagine at some point Rj was in the FBI and trained his sons and had them placed there. He clearly has training in counter forensics and is always a step ahead, while maintaining access to CBI, FBI, and Homeland security computers, etc. Kirkland asking to be kept in the loop as a favor i suspect was a directive from his father.

Just trying to clarify what I initially said a few posts back. Although I do not think it is possible that Jane is RJ (based on different instances when they are in the same place at the same time or different places at the same time...unless disciples acted as RJ during those times). I think that there is some relationship between Lorelei and Patrick that has already been established. Lorelei seems completely comfortable with Jane , although she really does not know him, she seems to care about him much more than someone would care about someone they just met. Given what we've seen from her character and learned about her from her mother, Lorelai seems like a strong person and doesn't seem the type to just sleep with Jane because RJ told her to (which made me think that this wasn't the first time she'd met Jane whether he was aware or not). She seems almost familiar with his antics (like when she finds out that he lead police to believe she kidnapped him) and expresses frustration with him as if she holds the answer to everything but just can't bring herself to tell him (saying how alike he is with red john but doesn't even know it...I think people may be taking the "when you shook hands" too literally ). Again, there are so many things that make it virtually impossible for Jane to be RJ.. but I can't help thinking in the back of my head that Jane has some sort of personality disorder and is playing the part of both Jane/RJ, with Lorelai being Rj's lover, but in love with both personalities = Why she refuses to believe that Rj murdered her sister because that would mean Jane did it.. and also why she is so comfortable with him and does not try to escape from him. Also could make sense as to why she is so frustrated with Jane when he tries to deny being like Red John...saying she would know, seeing as she would have had extensive contact with both sides/personalities of Jane.