The signs were there all throughout the series, what a brilliant ending to the RJ Saga
The signs were there all throughout the series, what a brilliant ending to the RJ Saga
This is the first time i ever put Macalister as Red john
on this site..
I dissed Heller for how the show turned out
but i was so wrong.
First off, secret groups whithin law enforcement
and politics are as real as day!
The whole image of "serial killers" in our society is a lie..
Monsters like Jeffrey Darmer or the Zodiac Killer are not serial killers.
They were the low life handlers that delivered victims to their bosses..
Satanist and Pedophillia cults are rampant in law enforcement and elite circles.
Red John was never a serial killer
He didnt have an M.o.
And we know this bc he killed more people on the Mentalist in
different ways than he killed by his apparent m.o.
She lured girls in vegas to join red john.
A pimp or "madame" you can say..
Red john controlled her not because he's magic..
Its trauma based mind control not some trick..
Rj manipulated Lorelie by exploiting her past traumas..
Ok how did Red John guess Janes list..
It was a trick like Jane said
How hard would it of been to fake Lorelie's death?
Rj owned the police!
And if you watch the scene where Jane finds her body..
1)she has less injuries than she did in the video
2) she showed no wounds and only had a white sheet covered in blood draped over her
3) the crime scene was shady in itself and police presence was minimal.
So rj kept lorelie alive and used her
He knew Jane was getting close so killing Lorelie right away would be stupid for him..
The Ba are aleister crowley "do what thou will" type of dudes..
Which is parellelled with Visualize Stiles type of thinking..
Only Rj left Visualize after the barn in 88'
He started selling meth like that episode implies..
And remember when Macalister , Bertram, and Reed Smith are all having a meeting together?
It was a meeting about "getting meth off the streets in Nappa Country"
Satanic Rituals and mind control..
The only person who could mindfuck Freye like that was Stiles..
"My dear chap, I know so much more than you or Red John could ever imagine"
Frye was the only character that fit two big Rj criterias for me..
1) obsessed with proving her powers
2) obsessed with Jane to the point where she HAD THE SAME EXACT JOB!!
Talk about feaeful symmetry right? She literally was a cbi psycic...
She also talked to Rj on tv like Jane..
She also described Janes fams death to him..heartless..
I think Stiles gift wrapped Rj for Jane and destroyed her mind..
BUT the Ba is something else....
If you research serial killers enough you realize that most times it was really a sex trafficking operation thats covered their tracks by creating a false narrative of some "loner" dude..
Like Timothy Carter, prominant "good guy" with a sex slave..
Guy from ep 1 that copycatted RJ, he seemed like a elite pedo who got kids from his africa trips..
Seriously, son of sam, dahmer, Gacy, etc were just the dudes who would deliver the child or girl to the cult members...
Stiles either was boss or wanted to take them down..
The BA and Macalister werent serial killers, they were pedofile sex trafficking people...
Especially in Cali!
Lorelie was a sex slave turned vegas recruiter..
Thats what these people do, they kill your sister then trauma base mind control you..
**big point here..
Kinda weird that Stiles just so happens to die at the same exact time that
he is in hiding from the fbi...
Meaning we have no idea still what happened that night, jane had a gun who the fuck threw a concussion bomb? Lol
Stiles faked his death that night..
He was prob in the car leaving janes house when lisbon was arriving...
How he pulled it off i dont know but no way he was in hiding from the fbi, dying of cancer, and magically blown up in the process...
No way..too convenient..
Freye could of been BA too but i think she killed Janes Fam..
Bertram knew Red John was Ba!!!
Said hes top brass but didnt say the boss..
Plus how can Bertram know whos top what if nobody knows whos who...
I think in the end Stiles used Jane but also led jane to the dirtiest group of law officials ever...
Stiles wasnt petty enough to kill Janes family..i think Freye was the only one insane enough to be petty as RJ was...
Anyone remember the part AFTER Red John died? They were in the factory and it was booby trapped and Rigsby almost died? The factory blew up? Who was it that tried to kill them? I looked into it but no one has any answers/theories on it and they never arrested anyone.
Here we go. The following is a list of evidence from the
series that, in my view, supports the theory that Red John is in fact the dark
alter ego of Patrick Jane. Like Jane who repeatedly does this with people in
the show, Red John is a master manipulator and creates a theater for Jane, to
lead him astray. He uses manipulated persons to impersonate Red John or
otherwise do his bidding - including Lorelei, the Blake Society and McAllister.
Also, while Jane is unaware of his alter ego, Red John know about Jane. He even
tries to win him over once, unifying his personalities, when his voice speaks
to Jane from the back of the limousine and tries to persuade him to join him on
his higher level of existence.
Red John died with Thomas McAllister within the context of
the series, as that arc could not have been extended forever and had been
heading towards resolution for quite some time. So, for the regular TV
audience, Red John was dead, and Bruno Heller even said so. However, he also
said in reference to unanswered questions about Red John (that did not match
the resolution!) that “As we laid out in the episode, and as Jane himself says,
‘The rest is details’” — the stuff of “great Internet fodder, but not very
entertaining for a weekly TV audience. So as much as some people would love to
delve into that, it’s not what this show does.” TVLine asked Heller: "With
his final breaths, McAllister claimed that he was an actual psychic and used
those skills to divine Jane’s list of suspects. But was that but a final bit of
posing? Could RJ instead have had a mole inside Jane’s innermost circle?"
Heller told TVLine that, for now, he will leave “that thread dangling.” He also
said “Jane feels very strongly as I do that psychics don’t exist, though you
can’t tell that to the millions of people who get genuine solace and
understanding from [them]. Any and all answers to that question … depend on
your point of view.”
So here's our first point supporting this theory, with
others following below in no particular order:
*The "official" resolution requires you to accept that
there are true psychics. How Red John knew about the happy memory he killed in
S05E22 is just an unanswered question, you say? No. Heller saw to it that he
provides an answer to that very important question - an answer by Thomas
McAllister, his FINAL WORDS: that he is a true psychic. We all know what Jane
ALWAYS said throughout the series about true psychics. Even Heller does not
believe in them. Jane knows that this question is unanswered, but he decides to
believe he finally has Red John and "the rest is just details".
* The most important episode regarding the true identity of
Red John is S05 E22 wherein Red John kills a happy memory that Jane never told
anyone about. The only possible answer is "Red John is in Jane's
head". And there are no true psychics. Just put 1 and 1 together. There is
NO ALTERNATIVE interpretation that explains that.
* Also in S05 E22: We learn that Patrick Jane has Irish
ancestors. St Patrick's Day in Ireland is strongly associated with the color
green. GREEN JANE - RED JOHN. Red and green is one of the most contrasting
color pairs according to opponent process theory. The two are also
* Let's continue with duality and opposition. Did you know
that William Blake's "The Tyger" has a companion poem? It is
"The Lamb". The two stem from Songs of Innocence and Experience.
Duality. Harmless Lamb - Deadly Tiger.
* Whenever we hear the true Red John speaking in the series,
it is Simon Baker's voice, at a higher pitch.
* One of the strongest pieces of evidence: The Red John
Smiley itself. It was deliberately crafted to resemble the ultimate nemesis of
the show. And it looks exactly like a smiling Jane, with his characteristic
eyes. There is no way that this is a coincidence.
* There is a precedent of Jane killing a fake Red John.
Here's the official comment by Bruno Heller:
"The thing is, Red John is
a master of the mind game. If Red John wanted to die, maybe this is how he
wanted to die. Or maybe he just wants Jane to think he's dead." HE WANTS
JANE TO THINK HE IS DEAD. But Jane is
clever. He has to trick him. So he crafts it a lot more intricately next time. Jane
himself tells us how to view the official reveal, when he speaks to McAllister.
Patrick tells McAllister that the bomb was a mistake because it was too
theatrical, so he knew "everything that was the opposite must be true".
He had already identified McAllister as Red John. That means the meeting in the
church that is allegedly a trap for Jane - is actually a trap for "Red
John". But who is really pulling the strings here - and why?
* Red John is afraid of heights. A point is made that
McAllister is not. A whole episode is dedicated to that topic.
*McAllister does not fit Red John's personality, running and
pleading for his life. Bertram would have been a halfway believable and maybe
even satisfying Red John. Why the twist to introduce McAllister as Red John at
the last second, whom many described as the "bumbling sheriff"?
Because people would at least have doubts that he could actually be the real
Red John, and may end up looking more closely. Also, it opened the door to one
day return to the RJ storyline in force.
* Van Pelt once
said to Bret Stiles that he is "good, but not as good as Jane". Bret Stiles created a huge cult that worships
him. Red John needs to exceed that - McAllister certainly did not. Even Jane
says he is disappointed. If this is good art, and I believe it is, Red John
must at least be the equal of Jane - and the only person we ever met in the
series that would be a worthy adversary to Jane is ... Jane.
* Patrick Jane
shows that he can be very cold to people. He is described as a psychopath once,
and he smiles a lot and drinks a lot of tea at the sites of murders. He is also
capable of killing.
* Lorelei used to be the beloved of Red John ... and Jane.
She told Patrick Jane exactly what Red John wanted Jane to know, leading him to
the seven suspects and making him ultimately believe Red John was dead. Also,
within this story arc, Red John tries to win him over to his side, trying to
unify the two sides of his personality.
* Panzer is a model
of a killer hiding in plain sight. There may be some foreshadowing here when he
says to Jane " that kind of duplicity, that double life, i don't
know how you do that". Jane also says Brett Partridge must be a good chess
player if he is Red John. Again, this is a hint at a killer in plain sight, and
we know that Jane, who fulfills a similar role regarding the investigation of
the RJ murders, is an excellent chess player.
* Throughout the
series, the FBI believes Patrick Jane could be RJ. I believe the new spin on
the series after the killing of McAllister would have ultimately seen the true
reveal of RJ by the FBI, had the series continued.
* Jane speaking
to Krystal in "White Lines": I never, uh, really
tell anyone who I actually am. That's why we're so well-matched. I think you're
the same. Well, uh... there's a real Krystal that
you don't let anybody see." This is one of the stronger pieces of
evidence, and Red John speaking.
* In the final episode, I
believe we also see the Red John side of PJ. He blackmails the fraudulent
jeweler to give him a hugely expensive wedding ring which he gives to Lisbon -
in an episode where Lisbon makes a point that the two have to be honest with
each other from now on. We also see a huge Jane smile at the very end, and it
is hard to overlook the Red John face. Jane also says "We have to promise
each other that we will always look on the bright side."
* The show ends on PJ/RJ having a wife and soon a kid again. A pleasant
ending if you look at it from the lamb side, a terrifying ending if you look at
it from the tiger side.
* Compare this to Lisbon's "Which side would you rather be
on? Childish naivete or defeated cynicism?"
* If you were the
author, what would be the better story? McAllister or Jane/John? Can we trust
Heller to be a good author? I do. The key question is - are you lamb or tiger,
innocent or experienced?
I have certainly not compiled all material relevant to this
theory. Yet I think there are some irrefutable pieces of evidence in there that
cannot be easily handwaved away. I may post more on this topic some time; if you
like, follow me on Twitter: @yemeth_2008
P.S. Even if nothing of this was intended by the author, which
I think is highly unlikely, it is still in the show. As Joss Whedon said,
work is open to interpretations the author did not intend. Art isn't your pet -
it's your kid. It grows up and talks back to you."
In S05E08, Red Sails In The Sunset, we see Bob Kirkland make a phone call while (from memory) he is standing in Lisbon's office. He is calling with a person called Tom and the call is about getting the Marshalls involved into the case at hand.
Remember Jared Renfrew? In S01E11, Red John's Friends, the clue left for Jane by Jared Renfrew, written in blood on the bathroom wall, is: 'He Is Mar'. Main theory on this clue is that Renfrew was trying to write 'He Is Marshall' but that he succumbed to his wounds while writing the message.
I believe that this call between Kirkland and "Tom" is the follow-up to this hint. Kirkland is actually calling Sheriff Thomas McAllister (who goes by the nickname Tom), and that this was one of the direct hints dropped in Season 5 (which went quite overlooked as I can't find anything on it) about Red John's identity. One of the earliest hints that Red John is in fact Thomas McAllister.
(I've rewatched all of the Mentalist episodes in the past few weeks and this was one of the bigger things I've noticed)
Been watching the new show "jessica jones" on netflix...
And the villian can make anyone he wants do whatever he wants just by asking...
Still dont know how but he doesnt seem to have powers...
ANYWAY...this dude and what this dude does would of been fucking PERFECT FOR RED JOHN!!!!
A guy who can make anyone do as he pleases at will? Kill Bosco? Sure kill janes family? Sure why not?
Make kristina freye into a vegetable? Just takes one sentence..
God i am still mad haha