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Ray Haffner

Ray Haffner
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Sry guys, but that's it. We won't see a RJ return. We just get to see a shit load of red herrings in these episodes - a red dress, red curtains, red red red. Really?! These writers are fucking retarded. Those love-story shit gives me cancer every time I watch the new episode for 5min.

And the worst part are those 50 years old women on the Mentalist Facebook page that say 'finally the RJ bullshit is over and we can se Jisbon happen. they're meant for each other. im sooooo excited omg omg omg' You know what? Screw all of them! I saw a loooot of people there that didn't give a shit who RJ was and how he was revealed. They were never interessted in it. They just wanted Jisbon to happen. I puked everytime I went to the comment section on their Facebook page. Just don't go there!

As hard as it sounds but this show needs to be cancelled. It is not what it used to be. This love story bullshit never really happened in the past 6 seasons and now they start 'tieng up' the relationship between PJ and Lisbon? I call bullshit! The dumbest idiot would notice that PJ and Lisbon have feelings for each other. But that's not what the show was about! It was about a heartbroken man that wanted revenge. On his way identifying the murder of his familiy he became sort of a criminal so that he could get information that he wouldn't get if he always followed the law. RJ made PJ a 'little' RJ that didn't care for anybody but for his team. And now all this is gone? After all he's done he's a free man that runs around and if he's in the mood solves some crimes with the FBI? Again: I call bullshit! Besides: Why didn't Bruno Heller team him up with a pigeon? They would be the best crime solving team in the whole world!

If there would be the possibility to delete your memory I would do it an watch season 1 to 3 and that's it. Although we never got to know information about this RJ too, this ending would be way more better than s06e08 bullshit.

This idiots ruined this awesome series with season 6. I will never watch any shit of Bruno Heller again.

I'm out!

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I'm sorry to say, but RJ will definitely not be returning. It's as if Heller wants this series to be cancelled now.

Blue birds symbolize happiness, growth, and renewal. Whether or not this is going to be used ironically, I don't know, but I do know that the chances of the finale having anything to do with RJ is next to nothing. At this point, what does Patrick have to achieve? Getting together with Lisbon? That's it? Red John was his only challenge, and that was taken away from him in a blaze of bullshit, and now nothing can stand against the almighty Patrick Jane, the man who single-handedly caused the apparent collapse of Visualize, the BA, CBI, and Red John.

Fuck, if anything, Patrick Jane is the god damned villain now.

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Just a question for those who have been rabid fans (which I mean lovingly) since the get-go (as I have only been what I would call obsessive since the end of Season 5):  

The show seems to be playing pretty fast and loose with the spoilers this season.  Was it always this way?


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Unfortunately, nowhere does it state Red John has -returned- for episode 20, just that Jane may be going to trial for his murder. This is not to say that Red John may be returning, but based on the summary it may be simply to get the closure on Red John we have been looking for, at least that. This means that, during the trial (if it occurs), we may get an explanation for some of Red John's clues and actions. Then again, it may just be a half-assed cop-out from the storyline, again. I'm more inclined to believe the latter.

I'm baffled as to why some of you still have faith in Bruno Heller to deliver something spectacular.

A few things may happen here:

-Jane may create another ruse to avoid the trial altogether
-Jane may come up with another heartfelt speech to win the favor of the jury and get a verdict of "not guilty" (as he did in the beginning of season 4)
-Abbot may hold to his agreement and find some way to create a mistrial
-(very unlikely, but hoping)The real Red John will engineer something during the trial to void the charges against Jane and renew their game, or something similar. As far as this idea is concerned, though, it is operating under the assumption that Red John successfully framed Mcallister and has retired from killing for some time now, and Jane's trial would rekindle Red John's narcissism since he wouldn't actually be dead, forcing him to reveal he is not dead, which is why this is 'very unlikely'. Also, Heller doesn't seem capable of something like this.

All in all, my personal expectations are not high for this episode. There is only so much that can be done in three episodes you see, and the producers of The Mentalist aren't exactly masterful at showing quality and progression in a short amount of time (just look at the Richard Heibach BS). Whatever you may believe about this episode, you have to agree that deep down inside, you know it will probably be much less than we want.

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What the fuck is goin on? What has happened to this once great and entertaining show? This is fuckin crazy    lol        even if this "New Beginning" is some long con  does anyone give a fuck after all these delays and shitty murder of the week episodes?    If you would have told me before the start of the season that they would wrap up the Red John saga in 8 episodes   including Partridge's deatth in the first episode, an evil Kirkland twin that never shows up, and all that BA bullshit ..........and don't even get me started about episode 8 "Red John" .....cause my fuckin head will explode   if you would have said all that before the season started I would have smacked you in the face        and anyone who says that they didn't mind the Red John reveal/death is an asshole          you know what sums up this whole "New Beginning" coma dream is..................................Agent Fisher waving her wand around like a fuckin mental patient ...........really?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         my best guess of what happened is because of dropping ratings (almost down half from season 3) CBS moved The Mentalist to Sunday night (a fuckin death sentence)  this pisses Heller off making him take a deal with Fox (he's somehow gonna fuck up Batman now)      he picked McAllister's name out of a hat  and gave no proof or explanation (if McAllister was Red John from the beginning they could have wrapped that up by the third episode of the first season)                 the only thing that still gives me hope is that the season isn't done yet and the belief that Heller and Patrick Jane are pulling off the biggest and smartest long con of the entire series        if not they should have ended Red John at the season 3 finale   and made the BA they next Big Bad in the next two seasons and had the CBI Killer(done right and not the way they did)  for the final season                                             anybody who dies off camera is not really dead            and the only interesting thing about Pike is that the actor who plays him is on Game of Thrones and he is amazing in it      he has to be more than just a weak love interest for Lisbon                                                                                                      thank God there are still shows like         The Wire    Breaking Bad   Game of Thrones    True Detective    Sherlock    Walking Dead    Justified      Banshee       Orphan Black                                                                                                                                                                                           

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Hey this is A SPOIELR PRESS RELEASE EPISODE 20 https://t.co/TRWED9YMn5 

RJ IS BACK BABY!

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...The fact is, mainstream shows like this are made for the 99%, not the 1% who can piece obscure details together and say "there is more to this story". Unfortunately...Just head to the Facebook fanpage. There are far more people concerned with Jisbon than anything to do with answers about Red John. CBS (The Mentalist's main network) isn't exactly known for breaking this mold and taking risks. I will even go so far as to say CBS to blame as well because they pressured Heller into finishing Red John's arc ASAP.

Unlike some people on this site, however, I can let go and I am actually beginning to accept that money is their first -- and possibly only -- priority. Heller and Co. will bend over backward to please the '99%', or in other words, the majority, even if it picks the continuity of the story apart. The majority do not care about Red John or the many holes left behind in light of the horrible reveal. Yes, thousands of people frequent this site and leave their marks of frustration over this fiasco, but alas we do not constitute the majority of the viewership. It is a sad truth. All I'm saying is, if The Mentalist were a series of novels instead, they would never be published if Heller pulled this stunt.

I do want to suggest a solution, however. In the past, Red John, even though he hates "cheap imitations" of his work, he has allowed his disciples to pretend to be him or give away important information if he knows they will end up dead shortly after. Ideally, then, the real Red John would still be out there and has managed to frame Mcallister so that he will take the fall for his crimes (Thomas Mcallister IS still part of the Blake Association after all, if he were a pawn he could easily be manipulated). Now...We all know how this is a "New Beginning". Specifically, for Jane, at least as far as we've been able to see until now. Wouldn't it be awesome if this were also a "New Beginning" for Red John? Instead of trying to get Jane to befriend him...Red John instead goes straight to the source within the FBI. We have long known that Red John has had a desire to be close to Jane, hence his undying attempts at establishing a "friendship". He would accomplish this in the form of Marcus Pike. The funny thing is...Regardless, we know now that Jane believes he has killed Red John, the single most important thing to him in his life is Lisbon. There is no getting around that! It would be an incredible victory for Red John to not only get close to Jane, but also take away the most important part of his life from him...for a second time! Ultimately, if this were the case it would make SOME sense as to why Lisbon was not only spared in the first episode of the season, but was completely unharmed, when even Kristina Frye was at least left in a catatonic state. Which I still think is nonsense btw. This is the way I would write it. But guys, let's look at this rationally. Obviously, Jisbon is going to happen eventually, and in order for that to come about, something has to be done about Marcus Pike. I just hope it turns out to be something akin to what I described.

Love it or hate it, even though it's not the greatest idea it would still be a far, far, FAR better turn out than the BS we're getting right now, you gotta admit.

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