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Ray Haffner

Ray Haffner
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A member of the Pretty Little Liar cast said recently about A (their equivalent of Red John) "Everyone will freak out because it's so clearly in every episode," he adds, laughing. "When it's finally revealed, you could literally go back to season 1 and knowing who it is, you can be like, 'Oh, wow. Whoa. This has been here all along, and I never noticed it,' which is, I think, brilliant."

To those who still don't understand that some of us are annoyed by the "little reveal" it is because we expected exactly that, to freak out, to think to ourselves "Wow, crazy, brilliant" and to watch it again thinking "Wow, crazy, brilliant". In a word we had expectations.

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First, thank you to those who have partcipated in my 
little informal survey and commented. 

I don't think The Mentalist is going to revisit the Red John storyline. In my mind it ended with 602, and it's up to my imagination how it went from there.

However, we did get a lot of great RJ scenes before then, so what are yours top 3 favorite RJ-related scene? A scene where they're talking about him counts.

Mine are

1) Blinking Red Light: when Patrick manipulates Panzer to insulting Red John on tv so RJ would kill him, and then RJ does kill him. That was extremely powerful and the last thing I imagined Jane would ever do.


2) The whole last part of the season 2 finale. *Shivers*

3) The end of Desert Rose (601) when RJ calls Patrick from Theresa's phone. "Sorry Patrick. Theresa can't come to the phone right now. Can I take a message..." And he's all casual. Awesome scene.

And of course there were many more great scenes, so what are your all favorites?

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There was something about the Mentalist fandom (those who make an effort to watch the show regularly) that had me really confused. Why did so many not like the Red John storyline and were eager for it to end? Afterall, there were only a handful of RJ-centered  episodes in a season(not counting s6). The great majority of the episodes were Jane and CBI doing their thing solving the cases of the week. So why in the world were people so eager for it to end?
     And then I realized something. The majority (or at least the vocal majority)of the fandom are Jane/Lisbon shippers, and Red John was the greatest impediment to them getting together. So it did not matter if RJ was never mentioned in the episodes, as long as he was out there, Jane and Lisbon would not get together---whether it was because Jane was scared of RJ hurting Lisbon or whether Jane was so focused on catching RJ that entering in a romantic relationship was the furthest thing from his mind. Either way, the Jisbon shippers had a problem with it.
    So we can say that the fandom is/was primarily divided into two groups: those who watch for the relationships (especially Jisbon)  and those who watched for the Red John storyline.  
   I wonder if those fandoms can be divided among gender...with the majority of Jisbon fans being female and the majority of the RJ story fans being male. I don't mean to be sexist, since I'm female and was/am a huge fan of the RJ storyline (at least until 603 but that's a whole different topic).
  Anyway, I would like to conduct an informal survey. Obviously, everyone on this forum is/was fan of the RJ storyline, even if you don't like the way it ended. Would you please press the green button if you are male and the red button if you are female?
Thank you!





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Does anyone else ever miss The Mentalist while they're watching it? (Just happened to me again with S7 E1.)

It sure is a strange feeling. How can you miss something when it's right there?

And yet, I do.


Come to think of it...I miss the bustle and zing of this WIRJ Board as well. 
And yet, here I am writing on it, so how can i miss it...?
Ever since the Red John episode in Season 6, I often feel discombobulated inside. I wonder if that feeling will soon be deemed as the RJ effect...a new disorder caused by intense disappointment at TV storyline debacles. We'll tell our insurance companies to send Heller the bill. ;-P

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Discussion question for anyone out there-What moment did you realize that the Red John story had been completely mismanaged? For me it came about 3 episodes after the reveal when I realized they were dropping the storyline, but for some it might have come in Season 6 before the reveal (I saw someone mention Fire and Brimstone below)-or even in an earlier season.

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Last year this site was on fire.........now it's a ghost town I'm fuckin speechless Ps: I'm the biggest fan of Batman But fuck that show. I hope it tanks ...........a Batmanless tv show called Gotham is about as entertaining as a Red Johnless tv show called The Mentalist. All they had to do to save the season was At the end Lisbon finds Pike murdered with a smiley face drawn in blood on the wall. That's all they had to do to save and make the season Even bored fat old housewives couldn't have liked that bullshit murder of the week finale My hope turned to anger Fuck this That finale was a fuckin insult THERE'S NO FUCKIN WAY MCALLISTER IS RED JOHN ..............………they picked his name out of a fuckin hat. Go watch the second episode of the first season and tell me they planned the hillbilly sheriff would be this legendary master criminal serial killer Red John McAllister was a RJ accomplice at best..........................................even if they bring back RJ next season it's too late. I don't give a fuck After what I went through with the lady season with all the bullshit

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I swore I would never return here, but damn it guys...The disillusionment has gotten too bad.

Every time Heller writes a new episode, he is laughing at all of you under his breath. He scorns you in his interviews. He visits this site and has his jolly fill of guffaws watching some of you trying to come up with theories that, in fact, make much more sense than what's happening in the show right now. I completely understand how much better the show would become if its plots were actually coherent and Red John were truly still alive, but you are giving this sorry excuse for a man far more credit than he will ever deserve. Heller KNOWS the Jisbon fanbase is more than enough to keep the show running for another season and, more importantly in his mind, the money rolling in. Every hopeful on this site who believes Heller is capable of understanding how Red John should be alive right now -- based on his own fucking clues no less -- is in for another heartache as Heller flutters his heinous fingers across your heartstrings, only to rip them out and leave you to stare at the almighty finger between his ring and index.

As much as I hate to admit it, this show is about Jisbon now, not even "The Mentalist". Hell, Red John has shown more potential as a mentalist than Patrick Jane thus far has, having zombified Katrina, and hypnotized many others to do his bidding, not to mention the countless times he has fooled Jane, the purported mentalist of mentalists. As far as I'm concerned, Red John IS The Mentalist. Now, as you can see, without him this show has devolved into a cheesy romance soap wherein the crime drama component takes a backseat. It has come to a point where there is LITERALLY no "The Mentalist" without Red John. But Heller has said it himself, we're the minority and we don't matter. It's nice to post theories and all but guys, try not to give yourself false hope anymore. Heller is a bloody fucking vampire who feeds on this false hope. If nothing else, it might be better to discuss what the show could have been instead.

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