Who is Red John?

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Thomas McAllister
Thomas McAllister
Reede Smith
Reede Smith
Ray Haffner
Ray Haffner
Gale Bertram
Gale Bertram
Brett Partridge
Brett Partridge
Bret Stiles
Bret Stiles
Bob Kirkland
Bob Kirkland

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Open letter to Bruno Heller,

I stared at a blank page with just a heading for over an hour, not knowing how to start, not knowing if I should curse you or pity you. There are no words to describe the frustration I feel after 7 years of dedication to your show, I don't believe Webster even has a word that powerful.I have to say, I stopped watching this clownish festival you called a reboot mid-way through the last season, I just couldn't handle it anymore; the finale? I haven't seen it and will not, what I've read around the web was more than enough.
Honestly, as an executive producer, do you deem yourself illegible to play with people's minds like that? Have you any idea of the level of damage 5 years of clues have done to the followers of your show? I'm not talking about your facebook fansite cheering for Jisbon (we will revisit that later), have you even a clue how much information websites like whoisredjohn.com and thementalist.wikia.com contain? 20000+ theories combined that prove this show had an amazing potential, something no other show ever had or can have. The initial idea was brilliant, at the end of 
Season 3 I gave you a hats-off for being a genius; and even though I agree with most that 'Strawberries & Cream' is the best RedJohn ending ever I was wishing for more, back then I was hoping it wasn't him and kept wanting more.
Then, irrationally, began the pour-down of clues on the audience; clues 
coming in left and right with such focus on them they left everyone in awe, scratching their brains and revisiting previous episodes endlessly to make the right connections. You might say it's our fault for focusing so much, I'll just answer that it wouldn't have been the case if you wouldn't have focused the camera so much on all those clues. I will not bother myself mentioning all the clues, you know them one by one, that culminated in 06x08.
'Red John' was so badly handled I simply dropped my jaw throughout the entire episode, from the lousy scripts all the actors were following to the pigeon trick (is that seriously fitting for such a story?). Nothing made sense and a tear in the universe wouldn't have fixed my jaw back in place at that moment.
Despite the ending to probably the greatest ark ever designed, and the lack of connection to all the carefully crafted clues you have given us; most fans including myself made up our own endings and resigned ourselves that you're just a producer with a lousy submissive personality who had to give in to Roth and his network. We decided to put all the red herrings, the Black Association and RedJohn behind us and waited for your reboot.What we didn't know is the level of lowliness you would reach, as if it was made on purpose to systematically shatter your fan-base and replace it with mindless sheep (yes, sheep).
The supposed reboot started with mentions of the BA to never again be used again (please do bold, underline, emphasize the word 'never'), then you have enjoyed sending us cryptic messages via Baker's script and some red colors here and there (again, carefully placed and specifically camera focused). WHY Bruno?Here's what I really think of your reboot and 'encore' season:
- All the reasons for admitting Jane into the FBI were never mentioned again.
- Marcus Pike (again using a cryptic screen name) had a huge potential yet was a total flop.
- The entire reboot was focused on a romance between Jane and Lisbon, this was clear from the beginning, yet I never imagined it would be that pathetic.
- What kind of a romance is that where Lisbon says 'I love you' and Jane looks away with a silly smile on his face instead of kissing her; are we witnessing real life here or a TV show? The chemistry between those two was clearly close to zero and it was as obvious as a slap on the face.
- Obvious? Maybe not for your sheep, you know those fans cheering the awesome(?) love story on facebook daily.
- Lazarus.. epic fail. Again, huge potential to give a closure, I'm baffled and speechless at your stupidity.All those fans who filled up your pockets throughout those years deserved something else

Bruno, I do hope someday you realize that; and I can tell you that no fans are ever going to follow you again, not to Gotham and not anywhere else (yet apparently you care only about the sheep so please keep them).I do apologize to the 'sheep' reading this, if anyone feels offended kindly understand this show had something you probably won't ever see and was destroyed by money hungry megalomaniacs.
This is an honest rant Bruno, coming from an ex-fan who has literally wasted days and weeks following your show. I personally hope you choke on all the money you made tricking people.

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I had spent a good time on this site before red john was revealed and shared my theories. As most of you I didn´t care about Jisbon and watched most episodes before season 6 at least 3-4 times.

They say it is not the destination that matters, it is the journey. Well, I would prefer to be respected though. The writers accepted that they had no idea who RJ was before season 6, and neither did they have any idea about the clues. And a time came where no writer could write an ending to RJ storyline that can explain everything well. They messed up that bad. I could though, if they had asked me, even for free...

Well, good riddance The Mentalist. I am just glad it is dead, as it is worse to see it suffer like the last 2 seasons. 


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Awesome series, the entire way through.

...Now for a Jane prediction...  This theory will soon disappear due to too many "Implausible" votes...










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Even though I feared it was probably going to end something like this, there was still part of me hoping we would hear that creepy music for one last time. Back in the time when I was hooked on this show, I was never really thinking how it will end, but I never, not once, imagined it would end up with a wedding. I mean, relationship between them is so unnatural and disgusting, I almost threw up. For me, they were always partners in solving crime and nothing more!

And what about Red John? We didn't get anything, not even a mention of him. I can't believe they never really tried to explain how he knew 7 names even before Patrick himself!!! That was a breaking point of the show if you ask me and not showing us how he could of know that is a biggest slap I've got from the TV show so far.
The problem was not in who Red John was, but the way how the episode (the most important episode!) was dealt with - very poor dialogues, no elaboration of Red John bio, wasted time running around, etc. And it was really stupid idea to kill RJ in same episode he was revealed! When you build someone through each season, someone so elusive and careful, who was always outsmarting Patrick and CBI, and at reveal, you portray him as someone who's not even equal to Rigsby...i don't even know what to say to that. The Red John storyline was one of the rare gems on TV, it had potential, great protagonist and very interesting antagonist, and I'm really saddened to see how it easily got ruined.

I've never seen any other TV show, or anything similar that people talked so much about and resulted with so many theories. This show wouldn't be as good without you. All your ideas and clues - thank you for all, I enjoyed reading them and participating in discussions. It was fun when it was cool! I would also just like to say that my favorite suspect was Ellis Mars.

The mind is a powerful machine, it can create reality.




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I loved this show until McAllister was Red John.  Think how cool, calculated and fearless Red John was being portrayed as with unlimited resources, influence, etc. Jane's true equal in every way, someone high up in the "company" with real power, thats the red john i wanted Jane to overcome, instead we got McAllister, someone who was none of that even to the point where he ran from Jane and was snivelling like a coward to spare him. The end of the show wouldn't have been a total disappointment but the Red John reveal ruined the show and it became obvious that seasons 6 and 7 were there to tie up the lose ends.

Real Shame - could have been one of the best shows ever.

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Heller...Sure, okay, let Jane & Lisbon start their newer life together. Yep we could've lived with that...IF...yes, IF...you'd had them drive away in the Airstream after the wedding all happy with their bundle of joy on the way...la de freaking da...okay fine...:)
BUT THEN show this end scene to only the viewers: Ray Haffner is following behind them in his car...
Now that would've been STUNNING.
(and the end credits roll...the last smiley face he leaves that we see is the one of him smiling as he drives behind them. ; )
that way it leaves it open-ended yet satisfying to more viewers. 
(WIRJ fans, please insert your own personal RJ where mine is)
I wish RJ would paint a smiley face on a certain someone. (most of us know exactly who i mean) haha
Laughter is still the best medicine. Or close to it. 

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I've been enjoying following this forum for years, and this is the first time I've posted a comment.

I was holding out hope until the very end that we'd find out that Thomas McAllister as Red John was a really 'long con' and we'd finally have closure for all those unresolved clues. I told myself, '2 episodes are enough - it could be done in 2 episodes!' then, '1 episode is enough - it COULD be done in 1 episode!' When I finally had to accept there'd be no closure I was pretty disappointed.

It sounds to me from reading Bruno Heller's TVLine interview that Peter Roth at Warner Brothers forced him to prematurely end the Red John storyline at very short notice. Obviously Bruno Heller had to say that in a nice way in an interview, but I'd like to think he was as frustrated about it as many of us are.

I'd LOVE to have the opportunity to talk to Bruno Heller and ask him what his intentions were with many of the clues, for example, 'He is Mar'. I felt pretty certain that was going to turn out to be Marcus Pike, and maybe he'd REALLY be Michael Kirkland! I'd like to think Bruno Heller actually DID have intentions for all of those clues, and didn't just think, 'This will be an interesting clue and we'll worry about resolving it later!'

I've been reading the thementalist.wikia.com and there ARE actually some good answers there to clues I didn't think were ever resolved, for example, Bob Kirkland killing Jason Lennon has always bugged me, but I think there's a pretty good answer for that on the wiki.

I've heard that after a divorce it's healthy to 'grieve for what might have been' so I guess that's kind of what we're all doing by posting to this forum. It's certainly been therapeutic for me to write this post!

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