The latest theories about Red John's identity (page 483)

I have been watching the mentalist from day one I have taken psychology for 8 years no I am not a mentalist just giving my opinion the reason why rj in my theory did not kill lisbon is not for love but for love of the hunt rj over the past years have enjoyed the mouse hunt with the cbi patrick, lisbon, rigsby, cho what better way then to really play with than showing you see patrick I can save you tied from a chair lisbon I can paint blood on you the as far as the list it is a trap by pj what better way than to weed out a serial killer by putting bulls eye targets on 7 suspected people its a hunt for rj remember in the video with lorelei I am going to start killing again and often till you catch me or I catch you my theory on that is after your supposed list of 7 I am coming after you rj knows patrick is getting close and rj is getting tired of the chase yes rj sees pj as a comrade a friend just like lisbon and if you notice every women pj has loved or liked rj has either killed kidnapped or played a game lisbon the painted face its obvious pj loves lisbon, kristina frye rj kidnapped her, lorelie ended working for rj so my theory is yes the list is fake bruno heller is doing such a good job at playing mind games the whistling rosalind harker description which is also fake, and if you see they are focusing on that list of 7 to much were everyone is fixated on the 7 and no other possibilities as far a partridge is concerned I believe he is alive no body no funeral no nothing rj I believe has a regular job is not very powerful but is very munipulative the red dragon theory could be right but what makes me wounder of its inaccuracy is the fact red john makes no mistakes 7 people would be very difficult to keep control of as far as killings covering it up its one person with many followers rj kills the people that have seen him if there is 7 wouldnt that mean everyone has to die and only one survives and if you go back to previous episodes the voice of rj sounds the same. One last thing pj knows who red john is since season 5 last episode that is why the list is fake I believe episode 4 season 6 is red listed thats slang for dead or I am going to kill you as for who I think rj is bruno heller has been such a good con man lol like lying about rj is one of the 7 and partridge is dead if you put your heart and soul into something are you really going to tell the truth or make obvious things like kirkland , haffner and sheriff whistling no and as far as the we are going to be dissapointed when rj is revealed of course were not its another mind game once we know everyone is going to jump on here and say I told you it was not the 7 but someone more breathtaking and exciting the only thing I hope heller does is not let pj kill him but ask questions on whg did you do that and when we were here and you were there thats what I am hoping for.

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Theory #5715 • By james

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Dear All,

I will try to force your minds with some of the cruxes and go into deeper probabilities so that we can see if we can come up with some kind of theory with them:

1- List of 7 VCD: I never checked it myself but people here say that the bullet wound on Lorelei's arm is misplaced in the video which makes people think that if the video itself has been taken by Jane, or by Red John but not in the described timeline. However, there is another thing to mention here. Regardless of whom had taken that video, why would there be such a discrepancy? I mean whoever shot that vid shouldn't have said "Ok Lorelei, let's just shoot this... Which arm was that? Left or Right?". A bullet wound doesn't just disappear and you must be a slobbery idiot not to check the arms and find the right one UNLESS:
a-) Directors have missed that point (I wouldn't bet on this)
b-) That was not Lorelei but her sister. If this is the case, either Lorelei has another twin sister or the legit sister of hers (who was a few years younger than her I guess) is actually not dead and sharing the same visuals and voice (etc.) with Lorelei. But why bother doing this with someone else but not Lorelei herself? Lorelei was held captive and rejected to play a part in such a video but still an asset for RJ whereas her sister was easily disposable? Still in such a case, there was no need to guess which arm it was because a quick look at the captive Lorelei's arms would answer the question. I AM REALLY CURIOUS HOW THE SHOW (if ever) WILL ANSWER THIS QUESTION.

2- Kirkland killing Lennon: Let's just remember the dialogue between the two;

Kirkland: You're one tough SOB Jason Lennon, you really are... (sighs). He sighs but not the way to show a relief but in a way to completing a must-do task. I saw no feeling of revenge here. He plays so cool and bored at the same time (I'll give the man his due, Corrigan's act is perfect)

When you (just imagine) kill a person out of revenge, you at least want him to recognize / remember you so that he will know why he's dying. You want to see that fear and remorse in his eyes and only this way you can feel that your revenge is being taken in real sense. However, Bob was actually relieved when he found out that Lennon didn't recognize him (it's good to know, thanks...). So, this should not be about revenge but why not injecting the air without even waking him up? But no, waking him and talking to him was important but not out of revenge. I believe that Bob wanted to see if the previously applied hypnosis over Lennon was broken by the trauma he had by getting shot or not. Maybe this was important to see how powerful the hypnosis could be, so that if the other people hypnotized by Rj are caught or drop wounded but not dead, Rj needed to know if they're still under his spell (security measures). If Bob was after RJ and killed Lennon because of raping her GF or something like that, the moment Lennon said that he didn't recognize him, Bob would have helped him remember first, then killed him. This is how it works. Don't tell me that you guys never attempted to take your revenge from someone (you don't have t kill them, there are other ways too). You want them to know why.

Anyway, does this make Bob RJ? This is a question that can not be answered with the data in our hands right now. Maybe later...

A guy like Patrick Jane would DEFINITELY go and see Kristina Frye in the mental institution (or wherever she is after being turned into a pumpkin by RJ) and talk to her. And yes, such a scene would not be kept away from the audience. But this has never happened. He is a man of digging deeper, questioning, observation, you name the rest. He would have tried to take something out of her memory deep down. For God's sake, these two had posed to fall in love with each other, remember. She was not just someone passing by. All that romantic dinner thing, Pj being in a dilemma of putting off his ring or not, running desperately here and there to locate her after being abducted, etc. Then what? Oh, she is under a bad spell, let me better forget about her... would I buy that? I think this tells us that Frye has a big role to play in future episodes. Otherwise, she wouldn't be kept in the dark so much. What that role would be? Can't say with the data in hand.

Another point; RJ's voice... Enemy of your life is talking to you face to face and on the phone several times and you can't just figure it out among the seven suspects? Nonsense! RJ is using a device to alter his voice. I don't think so. First, people said that the mask he wore had such a set in it which helped him change his voice. For God's sake, does this guy go everywhere with that mask? If that is the case, why are some other people accusing BP with being RJ himself as his voice comes out perfectly the same as RJ does. And guess what? No mask involved! You may say that there was no voice changing and BP is actually RJ and he's not dead but just went completely undercover with a secret operation like feeding pigeons and then he will surface back in his true identity as RJ. If this is what you're thinking to do Bruno, bad news for you because WE ALL ARE WAY BEYOND THAT CHEAP TRICK!

Let me make a deduction instead of an induction about RJ / PJ story. Imagine that they come face to face in the end. Can you visualize something like this?:

PJ: Hey sucker, why did you kill my family? (he will ask that for sure)
RJ: Well dude, actually I had nothing to do with you or your family but that night on the tv... when you talk like that, I dunno, I just felt like... I just lost control man, I just can't help it you know... hey, u got a cigarette?

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PJ: Dear John, I get everything clear... I mean you being a serial killer and everything... But why did u get obsessed with me? You should have just killed my folks and move on...
RJ: You know, I was a lonely child bro... Not many out there to play with... I always wanted a playmate... and I thought that you and I would get along... don't tell me you didn't enjoy it man! Hey Lisbon, wassup? Do they serve dinner here? Kinda starving you know...

I hear you guys... Shouldn't be so shallow right (ignore the stupid dialogues I generated, just see the essence)? Then it must be deeper. If we all think that it must be deeper, then we need to go beyond the PJ we know and dig down to his past and probable connections I believe. When we do that, we are completely in dark except:

1- Carny Life

2- Alex the abusive father

3- Time served in Child Protection Services

4- Psychic career (fake or not)

5- Family man

6- Time served in a Mental Institution

7- Brother in law

8- Sophy Miller (or her head only)

9- That older fella from the enemy clan from his carny days (don't remember the name)

What does all this stuff tell us? Not much with the data in hand. So, if you pay attention to the conclusions of each point above, there is one thing in common. Not with the data in hand. So, this is my last post as I will stop producing because with all those shady parts blocking our way to actually coming up with a strong idea/theory, I refuse to be a part of this cat & mouse play because there is no mouse yet to chase after. However, I will keep watching the show for the sake of the time I spent to watch it so far. Will I be disappointed at the end? So be it... I like it no matter what happens. After all, maybe Bruno is not that smart at all...

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I have read a few theories based on the fact that 6x08 only guest-starres Michael Gaston (Bertram) and Drew Powell (Smith) and therefore one of the two has to be RJ.

http://thementalist.wikia.com/wiki/Red_John_(episode)

But do you really think that if RJ e.g. was Partridge, they'd put Jack Plotnick on this list weeks before the episode airs? They'd give it away if they did.

Also, compare the guest-starrings of 6x08 (three names) to the one of e.g. 6x01 (eleven names) then you will realize that the list is not complete yet and names will still be added.

So IMHO, the two names being known to appear in 6x08 is rather indicating that the two are not RJ. Maybe they are part of the upcoming story. Remember that the show is not over after 6x08 and the writers need to come up with something to keep people interested (which will be hard I guess).

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Hi,
does anyone have an interview from bruno heller confirmed this is the last season ?
sorry to post that here but if there is another season that would mean red john remains a mystery?

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As I mentioned in my earlier post ( #5653 ) , it is important to figure out why RJ killed Partridge. As I was digging RJ episodes, I realized that in last episode ( 22 ) of last season ( 5 ) , Partridge says that murder of Eileen turner ( Jane's happy memory ) is bogus and RJ is working through friends and proxies lately. Maybe this is the reason why RJ killed Partridge. Remember why he killed Jane's family and Panzer ( SJK ) ?

Another interesting point in this episode ( S06E22 ) , when Jane tells Lisbon about his happy memory, Lisbons also tells hers back , which is her mother feeding piegons.

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Lets think logical for a moment.If RJ is one of Bret Stiles or Gale Bertram can you imagine those two people who are always on the tv and on the media as the chief of the CBI and a leader of a religious risking their faces and go to Sophie Miller as Jay Roth??Dont think so...So these 2 men are out.

Secondly lets take a look at RJ's fingers from s06e01 when he talks to PJ on the phone.Now compare these with the huge and fat fingers of Reede Smith from Lisbon's dream...So Reede Smith is out too.

That leaves us 3 suspects.Ray Haffner ,Bob Kirkland ,Sheriff Thomas McCallister.I am sure one of these 3 people is RJ assuming Bret Partridge is really dead.

From these 3 men i will rule out Bob Kirkland too for the simple reason that when he shook hands with PJ ,Lorelei was in prison and she couldnt know that they shook hands and of course because Jason Lennon didnt recognise him.BK is possibly a friend of RJ or a man who tries to kill him for his own reasons.

So 2 suspects left.Between these 2 my pick for RJ will be Sheriff McCallister or Tom as he wants PJ to call him...Red John be must someone who is well connected but a low profile guy too like a sheriff.Also O'laughlin said once to Van Pelt to go to Napa county...and guess who is the sheriff there??RJ must be someone whose appearance would be in the first episodes of the show or at least in the first 2 seasons.Bret Partridge is dead so that leaves us Sheriff McCallister and Bret Stiles but we ruled out Bret for the reason i wrote before.

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I hate to admit it will be Jane because I admire him so much and learned so much from him, but the fact is, there is a high possibility he is Red John himself.

In Season 4 & 5, we can see that Lisbon is slowly becoming an apprentice to Jane. She picked up some of the mentalist skills and been improve whether in terms of observation or manipulation. Jane also constantly shows hints as one day he might be gone.

Throughout all the seasons, we can see Jane staring into the mirrors and somehow becomes another person for a split second. This might be because he has split personalities and he himself does not know about it. When he becomes Red John, he might black out or something.

My guess of the ending is that, in the end, Lisbon found out Jane is Red John, and she has to use what she know and learn from Jane previously to take him down while Jane realized who he is but unable to control himself. And in the end Lisbon outsmart Jane/Red John and confronts him and kills him. Jane will then thanks Lisbon for killing Red John in his dying breath.

I know there are some arguments to this theory that Jane is actually RJ such as shaking hands before and stuff. The thing is, no one knows for sure the person they see is really RJ. Maybe Jane ask a person to pretend to be RJ and directs the disciples to do his bidding but actually this 'RJ' is also one of the disciple who is acting as a cover for the real RJ aka Jane?

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