Theories of james (5)

Hey people!

I was thinking (like I have nothing else to do but somehow this mystery grabbed me badly)... We know that there's a hidden agenda or conspiracy (maybe a crime) involving almost every layer of the US security forces (Bob: Homeland Security, Reede (FBI), Gale (CBI), Sherrif (local law enforcement), Brett (CSI under CBI), Ray (now private detective). Only Stiles has no involvement in law enforcement but he / his cult somehow pulls the strings of some / many law enforcers within different categories (at least we have some examples of this).

Let's remember Bob Kirkland was trying to pull back Lisbon from chasing after Tommy Volker who is/was a considerably wealthy guy (I'd like to start another discussion whether Mashburn or Volker is richer but that would be another day:). And Bob wanted this kept off-the-record. Same Bob is seen with Bertram later on discussing whether they can trust Lisbon or not and if I remember correctly, the topic was Red John. As Bertram's response to Bob regarding whether to trust her or not was also not too sharp and he seemed to be unsure about it. After all they've been through under the same roof, Bertram should have known that she can't be wholly trusted when it comes to Jane-Red John related topics because she is closer to PJ than she is to Bertram. The two have shared the same field of work, overcome dangerous situations together, and apparently have some feelings for each other. Bertram is just a boss figure (most of the time friendly but still having a solid boss image). And Bertram is not stupid to be unaware of the fact that Lisbon would choose PJ if she is confronted with the fact that Bertram is actually an RJ accomplice. So, if that was the situation, Bertram's response for such a question from Bob would be a rock-solid NO. 

This idea makes me think that these people are somehow in connection with RJ but not willingly. The reason why I'm writing this post is to get everyone's opinion on what really is going on in this triangle. Because I watched every episode only once and watching them again would take a long time which I don't have. But many of you might have a fresh memory or bits and pieces of information that would help us connect the dots on this (if there's any). It looks to me that these guys are not happy getting involved with RJ and they need every possible hand they could use in order to take him down without having themselves busted as well. I think that Bob didn't kill Lennon due to revenge but it was an assistance to RJ, and all the other guys on the same boat knows about it. So my guess is that they are not protecting RJ but they feel obliged. Of course it doesn't mean that these guys are saints because definitely, whatever it is they are signed up for, it requires deviation from their original course. So, what could that be? What could be so attractive to bring together FBI, CBI, Local PD and Homeland on a single secret agenda? What could be RJ's role in this? 

Another point of view; should we accuse Haffner (a surveillance expert) of being RJ who has detected the others' collective wrongdoing and threatened them into doing what he desired otherwise they would be exposed? If that's the case, do these guys know that he is RJ (was it an open threat?) or the threat came under disguise, so they have no idea it was Haffner? Or the picture is actually bigger and these guys only represent their associations with an operative identity in this secret agenda but the actual players are at higher levels? Because these guys come together often and all need to report to their superiors (you can't just get lost for days on an unknown mission without the knowledge of your boss unless you're assigned). Hell, if it's going to reach out to the presidential level (like in Prison Break), I want to know.

Or should I give credit to posters who believe that RJ is actually a group of people running a secret agenda and covering it under the mask of a serial killer (if we assume that there's a secret reason behind each murder and nothing is as it seems)? If so, there must be a connection between all RJ murders. Plus, if that was the case, why hire a guy like Jane in the CBI? Looking for trouble when it would be the last thing you needed? I think we should pass this idea. However, if there was a single RJ all the time and he requested these guys to hire him, then we're experiencing a case where the serial killer wants to be caught (like many) but this guy just picked a specific person to do that. Nevertheless, I don't believe in the idea that the whole storyline is based on a psychotic super-clever killer who wants to play games with another bright guy because we've seen it millions of times on the screen and only the way it's processed differently is not good enough for me to buy it. There's absolutely something deeper but what? Let's just connect the dots fellas. Because to me, it's more intriguing what's really going on rather than who RJ is.

Let me put some thoughts on how the show goes and how people react and what's happening why...

First of all, for the ones who ask questions like "there must be a reason why the writers place single-shot characters like Mc Allister again in 6th season...". Yes, they must be doing this because as we are given the list of 7 and those characters take place in it, it's pretty natural to keep those guys in the picture. How else would Bruno keep you thinking of shallow theories (Distraction)?

Second, there are the ones asking " Why didn't they show BP's body on 6x02? They just showed the body bag and skipped it quickly..." Yes, because otherwise, the ones who die for BP to be RJ wouldn't be producing any further theories (distraction) no more.

"Why do I feel like it's Jane himself? Well... it seems kinda impossible but still I have the hunch..." Yes, you will have that hunch until the end, even after that. Because you ignore the storyline and very few clues but instead, focus on an idea which has been processed in some other productions whether on TV or cinema.

" First I thought it was Partridge but since he's dead, now I'm 100% sure it's Haffner..." Don't worry, because you were actually 100% sure it was Partridge before.

" Red John is not a person, it's an organization full of people and when they combine together, they form up RJ". That reminds me of Voltron. Except, in Voltron there were lions instead of Tigers :)

Sorry if I seem too arrogant in choosing the way I put down the above examples however, we need to ask ourselves a few questions if we're trying to generate theories about the big mystery in this show which is Red John's identity and why he's doing what he's doing. Before going into that part, I'd like to say that I don't believe Heller in his all statements but I do believe something. RJ was designed from the beginning. I don't believe there were twists about his identity along the storyline.

1- Today's producers and/or writers aim to be unique with their products. I mean in the past, what mattered was how you told the story (that was how writers/directors/producers are differentiated and credited accordingly) but now it's more like "let me do the undone" kind of approach. Look at the shows in recent years (exclude the ones with cliche plots like mafia things, history things, etc. because you can't play much with those) such as Revolution, Lost, Prison Break, Breaking Bad, etc. All these shows add up something unique to their storyline. Lost was unique itself (it just ended bad), Breaking Bad was nothing new (in terms of drug trade and related issues) but added up a genius chemistry teacher to go out of line as irreversible (has it been done before? No). Prison Break centered on a break out (that part was done before many times) but the fiction behind the trap was unique. Revolution is again unique by its plot. So, this means that in today's show world you have to do something new (and do it good) in order to take your place among the unforgettable (after making money of course). Because the competition (as it is everywhere in each sector) gets tighter and tighter every year and these people must make a difference in order to spark. So, the question is; do you really think that Heller will give us the pleasure of actually guessing the real thing until he reveals it? Allow me to retort: NO WAY!

2- We tend to think of the concept "CLUES" all the time. And this is why we're mixing up the real clues with the false ones and things get quite messed up in our minds and finally we come up with stupid theories most of the time. I have seen many of the theories on this site as well as on others and I can frankly say that there are many people here even more successful than many of the professionals in criminal field. But, this you can only do by bringing clues together and generate thoughts because this is how it's made. If the false clues (red herrings) and real clues get mixed together, your judgement is born dead. If there is a cat and mouse play is going on, this is happening between us and show's producers / writers. 

So, if I am right; I mean the show's creators mean to be unique with their product, then it's a really tough job to actually know what will happen and who RJ will be. Because people's minds always tend to flow in a direction where similar stories had taken place and look for similarities in order to guess things right. After all, all of us posting theories here are doing this for what? CREDIT. To be praised by others. When the show reveals its secret, to be able to say "I was the one who thought it correctly. See how clever I am?". While we do have this urge to outsmart each other here in this platform, just think about Heller's position having all the strings in hand. There are some people (the ones I laugh at most) saying: It's Haffner, I know! Why? Because I have a hunch... Good for you to have such a talent bro, why don't you use it to tell me where my lost socks are?

Of course, we will post our theories but repetitions of many other theories with very similar reasonings are kinda boring. Don't get me wrong, everyone has the right to write whatever he/she chooses to. But it just doesn't contribute to anything when we keep posting the same things with same deductions. You may curse at me, criticize me, dislike me, I respect that. But one thing you must admit; what I'm saying is true...

Let's look at the case with the tactic of DUALITY.

* Did Rosalind lie about RJ's definition?
1- Yes: In this case, the list of 7 can be legit and we should all look for RJ within the list.
2- No: In this case, the list of 7 is bullshit. How:
    a-) Lorelei is not dead and She and Patrick created the video as the main element of their master plan. 
          Question: If this is the case, why didn't Lorelei just simply told Jane who RJ was?
          Answer: She doesn't know who RJ is. She pretended to know RJ but in fact, she is/was in communication with one of his high-rank officers only. And waking up that officer would result with her true death, so they couldn't just strike him to find out who Rj really is. Dead end.
          Question-2: Lorelei's death was publicly announced. And the killer is known as RJ. Knowing that he didn't kill her, wouldn't a guy like RJ who has great resources seek and destroy her for good until now?  
          Answer-2: If Lorelei is still alive, she must be hiding in some place which is out of reach of anyone with any kind of resources. Only Jane knows it. This might be a point to start the new hunt by using her as a bait.
    b-) Lorelei is as dead as Dinosaurs and the video was recorded by RJ indeed. 
          Question: How the hell did RJ know all that stuff (considering that Kirkland had broken into Jane's loft after the chic gets killed) in the first place?
          Answer-1: RJ was the person who planted those clues to be able to come up with such a list in the first place. Very much possible.
          Answer-2: He didn't guess shit. Jane just pretended that his list and RJ's list are the same. After all, there wasn't a list in Jane's hand. There were just photos and he watched the video a few times before anyone else did and it was easy to collect all those pics together as he was already collecting data about every person of interest during his investigation / brainstorming process. Dead end. Start over.

* Did Lorelei lie about the hand-shake phenomenon?

1- Yes: In that case, RJ's list and Jane's list are completely like black and white. And this can be possible because even though some people say that she said those words very instantly during a hot conversation but we should also consider the fact that she had Patrick totally conned until she reveals the truth that she was one of RJ's accomplices. So the hand-shake thing can also be a well-worked act. Dead end. Start over.

2- No: In that case, Red John just followed a similar method of deduction as Jane did, and came up with the same list. Here's another clue actually. Red John uses the phrase "Lucky Break" when defining the Jane's narrowed list. He just doesn't accept the reality that Jane actually generated the list by working on all the clues and connections but simply luck. That might be a result of RJ's personal belief that he is smarter than Jane and doesn't want to admit the truth that Jane can also go as far as he can go when it comes to intelligence. Therefore, he insulted Jane with the idea that even though Jane could somehow reach those names after months of struggle, RJ in return, could simply get the same result very easily just by thinking like PJ. Because there's nothing else left to insult here.

And this aggression makes me think that RJ has a great claim in the field of mentalism in a way that he can even lose control against any situation where someone else has a possibility of beating him or getting even close to him. This is why it makes me think that this guy can very well be someone from Jane's past (from carnival days). And what I believe is that there will be a two-stage tracking for RJ. At first, they will precisely determine who in that list is RJ. And once they reach him (by taking under arrest or killing directly), then they will realize that he is the operational part of RJ (doing the physical acts like killing and/or planting false/true clues in places, maybe even supervising all the RJ accomplices). Later on, by coincidence or clever thinking they will realize that there is a master brain behind all that (this doesn't mean that the puppet RJ is idiot). And the hunt will end with finding out the truth behind RJ's existence and acts, and the killing of him (no arrest will take place).

My candidates for the muscle & brain RJs are:

Muscle: Brett Partridge (he must be honored of being Red John once because there's a serious crowd crediting him in that direction)
Brain: Alex Jane (for the ones who love mystery rather than obvious picks) 

This way: Heller will never have to be responding to questions "But you said RJ was in the list of 7 in your interview?". That's right. And it was BP and he was on the list. And also, The Mentalist will be a unique masterpiece melting 2 serial killers in one pot as fully coordinating and equally active within the crime. Of course, he might pick another way to be unique but so far I could only come up with this scenario depending on what the show makes me feel. for the ones who are curious why I connected these 2 characters to each other, you may see my previous theory # 2934.

Hope you like it. And by the way, please contribute to develop it further. Don't get mad at me. Other plain scenarios would just be boring... :))))