I made this post after watching the spoof episode BUT BEFORE the real episode aired, so a lot of it could be wrong.

After we see episode 8, I hope it's quite cool to rewatch every Red John episode and see how Bruno Heller had it planned out from the very beginning. When I posted this, almost everyone thought that the fake episode was real. In fact, this will probably be drowned in red and comments that I’m delusional, but if you've genuinely kept up with clues, this is for you. I couldn’t tie up every single thing, not because I can’t, but because it would be too long.

Bruno Heller has set it up beautifully. To prove its possible make a complex story weave together, I’ve made my own flashbacks. (I've missed out loads of cool things!)


Bosco told Jane that person X is Red John, after the DNA on Carter Peak's body was analysed in secret (smart guy). Bosco made Jane promise he wouldn't kill Red John until he exposed the conspiracy in law-enforcement. He didn't want Lisbon to be hurt in a revenge killing. Person X is Brett Partridge, and Patrick hates him even more and is unpleasant to him whenever he meets him. On-screen, when Lisbon asks Patrick what Bosco told him, Patrick says "He made me promise to look after you." Patrick actually told the truth to Lisbon!

Red John met Ray Haffner on the Visualize farm. Roy Tagliaferro was Ray Haffner's birth name. After Roy changes his name to Raymond Haffner, Michael Kirkland, an expert hypnotist formerly from the carnival, is allowed to take up the identity of Roy Tagliaferro so that he can live an untraceable life. Bret Stiles has all 3 of them under his wing in Visualize.

P.S Patrick uses the High School Class Ring he sees in Red Barn to later trace that Tagliaferro is Haffner as a boy

To clarify: Roy Tagliaferro is NOT Red John in any shape or form.
- Ray Haffner killed Lorelei's sister
- Michael Kirkland is the man that Rosalynd Harker met
- Kirkland hypnotised Frye, Harker, the little girl and killed Jason Lennon, “Your mind is clear”

Bob Kirkland is hunting the man who brainwashed his brother. This was Bret Stiles, who knows Red John. Kirkland knows Partridge (trained pigeons imitating birdsong = good whistler) from the carnival. In episode 6, Stiles' death is faked by Jane and Kirkland. Bob's got his opportunity for revenge on Stiles. Haffner's death is faked. Potentially, Lorelei can get her revenge on him.

Bertram was briefed about his role in Jane’s plan, on the phone to Bob Kirkland, at the start of episode 6. Smith, McAllister and Bertram are all informants for the Homeland Investigation. Reede shot Michael Kirkland. They each have different roles in the episode after the explosion. (There’s a lot of deception to make them look like bad guys- You can thank Kirkland and Jane for these tricks. For the first time ever Jane has the resources, thanks to Kirkland, to pull an elaborate trick on Red John.)

P.S Lisbon being bugged by Red John, is the reason for the secrecy and lies from Jane. Jane is misinforming Red John. He does this in several episodes.

P.S*. Maybe Xander Berkeley was Red John in the fake episode because he virtually had absolutely no role in the Great Red Dragon or the real Red John episode. Even Smith outdoes him.

Bertram leaves a flash drive of names in the Blake Association for CBI. Bob Kirkland then calls the FBI from Texas to deal with arrests of Blake Association members, so nothing is lost.

Since Patrick has exposed the Blake Association and has custody of Red John's attachments to Visualize, Patrick has fulfilled his promise to Bosco. Then Patrick kills Brett Partridge, after 4 years of being ahead of Red John. I expect loads of flashbacks while Partridge is cut open and dying slowly. (Eeek! The awkward moment when you see Sherriff McAllister in a flashback, and then you have terrifying flashbacks of your own!) Everyone from the team is relocated for safety purposes. Jane flees to Mexico after faking people’s deaths. Comeon, he’s got away with killing a Red John imposter before, so the charges have to be for something else! The promo for episode 9: My Blue Heaven, is totally real. But I can only hope we’ll see the real Red John episode before this.

My theory of the future: I think McAllister isn't Red John. Jane will be caught and offered that he will not be judged provided that he will continue to work for law enforcement (FBI). Then Jane will have to accept the offer instead of going to prison and he will start to work again. In time he will be a part of something like Tyger Tyger. Then Red John will appear and show Jane that even Jane is under Red John's orders.

Just a heads-up to all the people who know the episode is fake: We've evacuated the website until Sunday morning, because we don't want to trawl through this crap.

Ok People, here is a list of the Red John episodes:

Season 1: 01, 11, 23
Season 2: 08, 23
Season 3: 03, 09, 16, 23 - 24
Season 4: 01, 02, 07, 11, 13, 17, 23, 24
Season 5: 01, 05, 06, 07, 08, 13, 16, 18, 19, 22
Season 6: 01, 02, 03, 04, 05, 06, 07, 08

People have been complaining that this Red John reveal felt rushed.
If you look at the episode numbers, anyone can see there is a growing frequency in Red John episodes. It's actually nearly perfect placement of Red Johns reveal.

And although Thomas McAllister was not who I thought was going to be Red John, he was only one of two from the list I thought it was, and I knew it was either him or Partridge, because it was always going to be one of the two dead guys.
So I'm not disappointed it's McAllister, because none of the evidence negates it being McAllister.
You at least have to admit that to yourself.

But to me it was a disappointing episode. And not even because, like a lot of people think, Red John turned out to be a bit of a whiny chump begging for his life. But because the way in which he took control of the situation wasn't at all clever. It was just a simple magic trick.
Which you could argue is why it worked. Red John may have been look for some elaborate trap didn't see one, had a false sense of security and that's why he went for it.

However, I much would have preferred a double episode with Jane managing to work out that it was McAllister and catching him.

If Heller had just made Jane somehow force Bertrams hand, catch him and make him believe he was still free, and force Bertram into the position of meeting Jane.

Perhaps if Jane had worked with the CBI, and arranged a scenario where the CBI would get close to Bertram but let him escape a couple of times, really turn up the heat on him and have Jane slip him a phone and Jane tell him, 
"I know you're not Red John, but I know you know who he is. Lets arrange a meeting and you can use my car to escape if you tell me who Red John is". 
Bertram see's a trap and doesn't trust Jane, but he explains that he doesnt care about Bertram, he only cares about Red John. He doesn't want the CBI to catch him, he wants to kill him himself."
Bertram's desperate.
The the Feds come in and do what they do, and Jane does what he does.
Bertram phones Jane a the park and Jane arranges the meet, tricking Bertram like he does into accepting the church as the meeting place.
When they do meet up, Jane covers his bases in case Red John is watching and is determined that Bertram is Red John to his face and the meet was just a ruse. 
Jane claims that the CBI are on their way, knowing that RJ would know they've been disbanded, but Bertram wouldn't. Bertram decides to hurry things along, gets Cordero to pull the gun and so on. 
Bertram gets shot, RJ turns up as McAllister, who feels an extra little nugget of pride of outsmarting Jane again when he hears Jane think RJ is Bertram.
And what happens, happens. Jane has the pidgeon because Cordero only padded him down as far as finding the gun.
Then on the grass, by the pond, when McAllister says 
"Don't you want to know how I knew the list?" Jane says 
"I live, sleep and work in a room surrounded by windows, all you'd need is a telescope. I don't care how you know."
Then with his hand pressing harder on his throat tells him,
"But when you set the concussion bomb in my house, you pulled me, Bertram and Smith to the next room. You placed a decoy body, set of an incendiary bomb and faked your death. That's when I knew it was you." You see confusion on McAllister's face.
"You got Partridge to change your DNA record before you killed him, that's how you fooled forensics. I knew I had you, but I couldn't tell anyone because you'd have run. I had to let you think you outsmarted me again, I had to make you think I thought it was Bertram."
Fear runs across McAllister's face and Jane squeezes more on his throat,
"I knew you'd want him dead. Just like Reed Smith. You always want them dead. And so I used him as my bait. I knew you wouldn't be able to resist coming to see me get it wrong again."
McAllister tries to keep him self alive a few moments longer,
"The list..... I'm psychic...."
Jane puts more pressure on his throat,
"Then you should've seen this coming"
Jane then squeezes the life out of him, as McAllister tries to push Jane off but hasn't the strength and he dies.

If that had happened, I'd have been much happier.

It just pains to see that PJ was after all not a few steps ahead of RJ.
I was expection, as probably many that the end will be PJ tricking RJ mindblowingly.
It just happened like... nothing special, move along folks it's over.
McAllister also seems like a dissapointment because we got to know him in the last season a bit more, whereas Partridge would be the perfect Red John, in terms of visual and behaviour-wise.
I still hope some serious plot twist accures, but probably won't.
Last season until now just seems rushed and not very well thought out with some serious plot holes to be answered.
Why did RJ kill that PI if he had connections all over the CBI to wire it?
How the fuck do those bombs work that apparently McAllister planted? (The first out knocking everyone out, and the second killing them)
Who was shot in Janes cabine before the explosion?
How could Partridge swap DNA for McAllisters, if he died in the first episode of this season?
What the fuck was that nun all about? 
RJ is supposedly this charming, smart individual, but McAllister certainly doesn't fit that description.
I could go on for days.

Well to end this rant, perhaps our expectations were too high for this season and Bruno Heller simply didn't deliver.

not a real advocate of fan fictions but:
betajohn delivers!!
http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/15952

sure, there's room to shut-up-shop now (in all the disappointment)
but heck, there's also room for a patch up in the concluding episodes of the show just like this fan fiction!!!! it's logical too with jisbon linked to red john
the only thing i'd change is the title of the ep to "back in black" where he returns in red vader attire *omg*

i know there's affiliates of the show scouring this site of hardcore fans so please please please consider something like this when (not if) the ratings drop


i don't really care who the identity of red john is (nor do the majority of us  here). all we really care about is a rational DELIVERANCE AND EXPLANATION
(partridge most logical) but it doesnt matter i'll take a resurrected sheriff or even a depraved ron/michael kirkland as long as it fits.. and this fictional conclusion is near-perfect
please commence your 'red showdown'... 

We all saw the shitheap that was last week's episode. After watching the show's pilot again, there is no doubt in my mind that Red John is Brett Partridge. Who cares what Bruno Heller threw together at the last second and called an episode? For such a well-crafted buildup, we were unbelievably let down as viewers. The way he (Partridge) enters, the way he describes Red John's actions, the way his eyes dart when Jane tells the team the RJ in the episode is a fake....... I look back at it and wonder how this isn't obvious to everyone. I can just say that the choice to use an old redneck sheriff as the brilliant serial killer who truly drove this show was a piss poor decision. I've been trying to stop myself from throwing a hissy fit over this but if this episode, an episode where a serial killer is not only defeated by a pigeon but calls 911 and suddenly feels sorry for what he's done, was the real end of the chase for Red John, I'm avoiding anything Heller creates in the future.