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Ray Haffner

Ray Haffner
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After we got the Red John 7
suspect list I decided to do a cross-reference with some clues that I find
more reliable:


-> Red John would have 18 to 30 years (young man) in 1988 (Red Barn)

->
is "just under 6 feet tall" (Rosalind description, don't know if really true)


With
the help of IMDb, I found the height and age of the actors. 

The 7 suspects:

Bret
Stiles: 70 now, 45
in 1988
, height = 5'8 1/2'' 

Gale
Bertram: 51 now, 26 in
1988, height = 6'3''

Reede
Smith: 37 now, 12
in 1988, height = 6'3''


Tom McAlliester: 58 now, 33
in 1988
, height = 6'

Raymond Haffner: 46 now, 21 in 1988 (confirmed in Red Barn by him), height = 6'1''

Bob Kirkland: 44 now, 19 in 1988, height = 5'9''

Brett Partrigde: 45 now, 20 in 1988, height = 5'11''


And to
compare: Patrick Jane: 44
now, 19 in 1988 (so Brett is older than him people).

now = 2013 don't care about the month xD


So Smith is
too young and if you consider height too tall.
McAlliester and Stiles are
too old.


If we
accept this we got 4 suspects: Bertram, Haffner, Kirkland and Partrigde.

Bertram was my favorite suspect until Red Barn but I
really think is too tall and if you consider the hair clue... is a bit of a long shoot. But then,
this is a TV show... And the end of the season 3 still 

unsettles
me with him at the mall and Carter also there...
Haffner is since Red Barn my top suspect. He is a bit tall
but still could be him. Apart from that he is perfect to be Red John,
but physically and psychologically. And to me he seems like Jane in this
scene (
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDVM5GiOMIo) and
others, what is kind of weird and like Lorelei says - they are alike.
Kirkland is
one of the two perfect guys according my list. As Haffner, is the right guy
when we think physically and psychologically. But because of his actions
seems to be more a man that, like Jane, is trying to find Red John. There are
many theories already about that here ;)
Partrigde is
the second perfect man. But sometimes doesn't really match in a physically
and psychologically way. To me is a man that likes his job to much. If he is
connected to Red John somehow, is still a mystery to me...

Entering with
stuff that happened season 6:

Partrigde -
died :( I kind started to enjoy his presence in the show.
So Kirkland,
Haffner and Bertram remaining :)

I am
still waiting for Kirkland show time but I guess we will see him because of the
fake list he got from Jane and he is going to be ruled out around that.

Both
Haffner and Bertram have cryptic moments this season.

Some other thoughts:
Carmen Lee 
(Black-Winged
Red Bird) - Probably
reading too much but: Carmen it's almost carmine, a shade of red. So, I think
that maybe the nurse is a friend of Red John and, by asking for Carmen to every room in the hospital with a new patient,
was a way of entering the room to know if Lisbon was there. Why is this
important? How Ray knew she was in that hospital? There are other ways but
still, is a possibility. Also Miss
Carmen = Miss Red? Weird since Ray and possibly Red John like Lisbon.
Pigeons (both 6x01 and 6x02) - Sophie claimed that Red
John has a fear and we have two episodes in a row focusing on birds.
Might be the reason Red John didn't kill Lisbon. Or, it was just to daunt Jane
with the smiley face.


Cheers
;)

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I think Raymond Haffner is Red John. Here are a few things why i think so :
He is in supreme fysical condition. In s06e01 you can see Haffner lifting weights at the end which confirms that. This matches Rosalynds dwscription of Red John, and the description we got from dr. Millers voice memo. He is also in the position to get a good view of the progress on the Red John case, and temper with evidence. He also has short, style hair. (Rosalynds description). And the fact that he is a member of visualize makes it more and more likely he is in fact Red John.

Sorry for my bad english :)

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Haffner is clearly RJ, and Brett Stiles is his father trying to protect is crazy son. 


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The cult of Red John is made up of a lot of people, but there is one leader. Is he Kirkland? or is He Heffner? Because Bertram, Smith, and McCallister are out. Partridge is dead, and Stiles is too old. What was telling in that scene was the following: McCallister had no clue how far Jane has gotten..."What is this?" was his words.

Smith was exetremely interested in what Jane knows, and with that an obvious RJ accomplice.  Bertram is very close to the leader of the Red John cult and so he know's that Jane is close, but I believe the leader has reassured him, but to keep close watch on Jane.  This is how Bertram knew that "Jane's getting close",(In Bertram's and RJ's mind  "or thinks he is getting close" (from episode 1) 

   I think that Haffner is RJ now...He has an arrogance around him. He is connected with Stiles through visualize, and he evaded the question as to if he was at the farm. He didn't deny it with exact words nor did he affirm. In episode 2 he was seen with Bertram at the beginning of the show in the office...that maybe how he got information that Lisbon was ok, and where she was, but also a follow up on the murder of BP, but that is speculation..he was just shown with no dialog.


As far as Kirkland goes..we will have to wait till the 4th episode to see Kevin Corrigan again, as it seems on the tracker from episode 1 he was in Los Angeles, or at least his main cell phone was.

The 2 closest to BP when he was killed: Bertram, and Haffner...

It will be interesting to find out about McCallister this coming sunday..Jane on a roof with the sheriff hovering over him like a hunter...

 

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I'm betting on Raymond Haffner. This is my theory:

Let's begin from Sophie Miller's description for Jay Roth (a.k.a. Red John or Ray Tagliaferro). I should pay attention just on the remarks we can surely proove in the first to episodes of the new season:

- the whistle - in the second episode are 3 people who are whistling (hope I wrote correct) in some circumstantions: first one is Ray Haffner, the second one is Reed Smith and the last one is Thomas McAllister. Ray and Reed have a short whistle, while, in the end of the episode, Tom has one longer. We would be tempted to say that Tom fit best the description. I don't think so! I'm guessing on one with a medium whistle ---> Raymond Haffner!

damaged and narcissistic personality - There I woul think about Gale Bertram and Raymond Haffner (yes! again him!). I also woud thing about Brest Stiles (but not too much). The free are, now, when I am writting to you, leaders, in some way, of their groups: Gale Bertram CBI director, Bret Stiles the Visualize leader and Ray Haffner  a NEW leader of a private investigation group (or somehow). What intrigues me is why, in the 5th season, Haff decide to create that private society. I've deduced that he maybe likes to controll the situation, being in the center of the group without being seen or known by anyelse. He cares his body, him entire. That could be a narcisistic type. His face on the final of second chapter really scared me. Is something to care about. I don't know very well, but when he drinks coffee with Lisbon on that CBI rooftop, I bet he stay with his back to the view... About the damaged ehing, I can't say anithing.
looking convincingly - yes, in my opinion Ray Haff looks so. 

Ray Haffner looks like he cares about Lisbon, maybe even loves her. He've made her that offert for a private job as detective: to no body else but her!
Now, I hope you noticed how (in the first chapter of season 6) Red John moves his finger(s) on Lisbon's mouth. You would say that he is doing so because he paints her face (mouth). But look on the way he is doing this: very gently, like he cares about Lisbon. He wants the paint to be accurate, even perfect. That scene prooved me that Lisbon may signify something special to him. (R.J.) !
Back to Haffner! Look the way he seats on the Lisbon's bad, at the hospital. Even Jane wouldn't stay like this (not for the first moment he enters the room!). I would appreciate the Haffner's seating is just like a boyfriend who would do this for his girlfriend! ---> Ray Haffner likes her, R.J., may likes her... Or is just a way to proof each one domination towards Lisbon. Just a guess...

So that's why I'm thinking that Haff could be Red John! 

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Hey guys, I just thought about it, and I think that RJ is actually Ray Haffner.
So this is the inital list:
Bob Kirkland, Gale Bertram, Reede Smith, Brett Partridge, Thmoas Mcallister, Brett Stilles, Ray Haffner
We have 7 suspects, and we know that brett partridge is dead, so we have 6 suspects.
So now we have:
Bob Kirkland, Gale Bertram, Reede Smith, Thmoas Mcallister, Brett Stilles, Ray Haffner
Then, we know that RJ has a straight hair, so we have, so g.bertram is out:
Bob Kirkland, Reede Smith, Thmoas Mcallister, Brett Stilles, Ray Haffner
Jason Lennon (close friend to red john) said that he doesn't recognize bob kirkland:
Reede Smith, Thmoas Mcallister, Brett Stilles, Ray Haffner
Based on the barn and the record of jay roth, he's mid-age, so stilles is out:
Reede Smith, Thmoas Mcallister, Ray Haffner
We know that RJ isn't fat, both Rosalind Harker and jay roth profile confirmed this, and we can see
in the last episode of season 2 that RJ is thin.
Thmoas Mcallister, Ray Haffner
Note: This two are the only suspects so far that whistle!
IMO there's 1% chance that its mcallister, he's been proven to be stupid and not really good at
combat, based on http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-7UqxcLx2o , he really doesnt fit the RJ
profile.
Plus Ray Haffner had a motive to keep Lisbon alive, he appeared much more than Mcallister, and
you can see his creepy face at the end of episode 2 season 6.

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Lisbon says in 6x02: "Turns out RJ is not that tough. He barely laid a hand on me".

Not too clever a thing to say to someone who is suspected to be a serial killer with ego problems, is it? :)

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