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Thomas McAllister

Thomas McAllister
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Hi there - I've been following this website for a while now, and
thought it time to contribute.



As a side note, a while ago, when I learned about the list, my friend and I
guessed who was going to be on it.

She came up with: Mashburn, Stiles, Bertram, Partridge, Kirkland, Volker and
Alex Jane.



My views were slightly different: Mashburn, Stiles, Bertram, Partridge,
Kirkland, Virgil and then I suggested a dark horse for the last space.



When I complied my list, my suspicions were centred around Mashburn and Bertram
- although I thought Virgil would've been good too.



Now that I've seen the real list, I like the idea of McAllister for Red John. I
operate on the assumption the list is correct – my reasons in shiw are
explained, but it would be a massive slap in the audience’s faces if it weren’t.



I would not like to make any form of conclusive statement, but rather look at
some of the evidence with fresh and objective eyes, not clouded by trying
to make evidence fit a certain character.



Definitively, I would like to state I am not making a case, but merely
pondering some of the clues and ideas posed. I will not consider pigeons, which
I would state are a non-clue, based solely on analysis of the reasons offered –
someone feeding pigeons at a park that Jane and Lisbon were in is not, to my
mind, suspicious, especially as they evidently were there before the two
arrived. Disliking having a pigeon fly in your face does not constitute a fear.



Things to consider

The list - I believe that the list of seven suspects is valid, and
people have questioned the validity of including certain suspects. I remember
it is stated that the list is derived from cutting down the handshake list to
only the suspects whom could've committed all the murders.

As such, if Red John is more than one person, as has been suggested, it implies
that the list is valueless - this is possible, although it does then bode the
question of why Jane is spending time with the seven suspects so much. Three
answers suggest themselves - that one of the suspects is guilty, that he knows
the list is invalid but would be spending a lot of time in proximity to Red
John anyway so it doesn't matter, or it is an elaborate trap.



How did Red John know the list? - Lorelei is dead, thus the list was
made before her death. As such, how could Red John produce Jane's list months
in advance? Here are some ideas: that Red John followed the same line of
reasoning as Jane and produced the same list via thinking and research. That
Jane did not produce a list, but rather simply used the one Red John provided.
That we have not seen all the video. Maybe Jane shot the video himself - this
does not suggest he is red John - as part of an endgame to trap Red John.

He is man – either Jared Renfrew or Red John himself wrote the words on the
word. If it was Renfrew, we can assume they are some clue to Red John’s
identity – of the theories I have seen so far, that would give us an incomplete
message, the word ‘Heisman’ or an anagram of some sort. If Red John wrote it,
it makes the message a bit more cryptic – a possible clue to his identity
again, or even some taunting.

Tyger tyger, and
William Blake
– an obvious suggestion to
this motif is the hallmark of his killings, although the smiley faces fulfil
this goal – there is a form of religious imagery running through the word, so
it would suggest a possible religious connection to Red John’s killings. The
fearful symmetry line suggests either a literal or a metaphorical symmetry –
either something pertinent is literally an opposite, or a symbolic clash
exists.  Why did Brett Partridge utter
the line when he dies – it suggests a Red John connection to him, although on
the follower front more than the man himself.

Rebecca – Rebecca was killed, and if we presume by Red John and not one
of his followers, it renders the situation interesting in regards to who could
actually have been there at the time, and who would have been able to get away
with such a murder? Although possible, it is hard to imagine anyone
particularly important would not have been recognised, but then equally hard to
imagine someone lacking in importance (in a law enforcement front) would have
been allowed near such a prisoner.

Appearances – we have had several descriptions of Red John, as well as an
appearance from the man himself when he saves Jane. Although we cannot say for
certain, there are several points of concurrence – his gender and his height. I
would not like to trust anything else, many of the characteristics could be
changed – hair, for instance – or faked – liking Bach.

Visualise – it is inferred that Red John has a connection to Visualise,
based on Bret Stiles’ knowledge of him and the barn murders. Whether or not he
was/is a member cannot be stated for certain, although it seems probable based
on the previous points. However, it may be Worthing considering that working on a farm could have been co-incidental - possibly to plant the Visualise connection - as we saw in the episode, there were non-Visualise members connected too.

Sophie Miller – there are a number of fallacies regarding Miller – for one,
although highly likely, we cannot state for certain that the patient Jay Roth
is Red John. Then, assuming he is, the idea of a phobia is only a suspicion of
Miller – we cannot take that as fact either.

Phone tracking – at the end of The Desert Rose, we can see quite clearly the
location of the tracked individual’s phones – this does not equate to the same
thing as each individual. Anybody could have left a phone at a location or in car
– the suspect being far away/in transit/both does not exclude them.

Getting away with it – as an inference more than a clue, we must consider that Red
John must have some sort of position of power, some sort of access to
information, respectability/exertion of influence and a great deal of intellect
to have been successfully murdering for so long. With some suspects, the framework
is evident – Visualise, Homeland Security, the CBI – but everybody considered could achieve this.

Just some thoughts - what does everyone else think?

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Thank you! Someone finally put it into words: http://www.whoisredjohn.com/See-a-theory-Red-John/6198#disqus_thread 

How can Patrick Jane include people on the list who obviously DO NOT fit he criteria and clues we have received regarding Red John?  Bertram too tall and no hair, Stiles too old and short, Reede too fat, etc.So who or what do we trust?  Do we trust our so-called clues?  Do we assume that Patrick Jane knows something we do not? Can we assume that Jane forgot about some of the clues - I don't think so!  Not forgetting those facts is requisite's for 'Smarts 101' and he is doing his doctorate in smarts - that is what this show is all about and why we watch it.

I tell you, if there isn't some seriously good explanation why these people can be on the list without disregard for each and every one of those 'clues', I will feel shortchanged and will chuck my TV out of the window - for ever.  Because then they could as well say that the pigeon who spooked McAllister is Red John.  Like Waldo always in the background. That pigeon featured at Partridge's murder and he is one of 'many' pigeons (you obviously need some help, being a pigeon).  And in 'Madagascar' you see that penguins can be quite handy and threatening, so why not pigeons?  This evil pigeon just knows how to hypnotize people.  I mean, why would a murder victim of Red John mutter "Tyger Tyger", unless he wasn't hypnotized by a pigeon?  What other explanation could there be?

But I digress. Let's assume that the show, the writers, are not trying to pull a quick one on us.  That means that the list is accurate.  It therefore has to mean that that the clues which contradict some of the suspects, must be explainable as being fake.  For instance Rosalind Harker must have been lying because she is still in love with Red John aka Roy Tagliaferro.  That I would believe.

While it is after 'the fact' ('the fact' = 'compiling the list'), one example of a misleading clue could be 'Red John is afraid of heights'.  That is not a solid clue!  It is a clue because, wait for it, Red John created it!  He was the one who told Sophie Miller. And how could he not know that Jane would think of looking for Sophie Miller because of the 'happy memory'?  Of course he knew!  He knew that Jane would 'discover' that clue.  It's cat and mouse. - will Jane know that I planted this clue?  Let's make it look real by stealing her notes - except the recording...

So we have to list each 'clue' - especially based on 2nd hand reporting- and seriously, slowly evaluate each as being reliable or not.  We have to look at the motives behind the existence of those clues.

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As people before have stated, Bruno Heller has said that the scene where Lisbon was abducted, was extremely important. In all three episodes, there were pigeons present or shown on camera. I think this is the fear that Red John has instead of heights. It's the fear of pigeons. In the last episode, McAllister freaked out when a bird came near him in the attic of the church. There were pigeons when Lisbon opened the door where she was taken. I think he did the killing of Brett along with impersonating a patient for Jane's therapist. Although, I don't think that Red John is a single person. The scene in episode two, where the three men were chatting in Bertram's office was interesting. That's why I think it consists of multiple people, but McAllister was present on the scene of the abduction of Lisbon.

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In a interview,the actor of Brett Pattridge say's that he play his role as if he was RJ so my guess is that BP was the first RJ by Bruno Heller but so many people have done videos on youtube or blog about him to be RJ so I think he just decide to switch everything because everyone think it was Pattridge after like 3 season so that was just not a clue anymore.just a though i got when i read the interview.

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He is MacAllister!
Thats the only name that make sense. It is not "HE IS MAN" or "MAR"...

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I cant believe that I am reading
almost all theories posted on this site everyday. There are some good theories
but others are too far-fetched. I have watched the 2 episodes of this season 3
times. I feel like I missing something. There are so many clues. But we are
missing a lot of information in order to make a good guess. Jane has a plan to
catch RJ but he is playing his mind games and he is not letting anyone know
about it. This is how he usually solves the weekly cases.

Red John has been ahead of Jane
so many times and i think that Jane is setting him up. He may or may not have
told Lisbon about his plans. He is pretending to be freaked out in the first
episode. I think he wanted Lisbon to reveal the list to Van Pelt and others. He
was not enough angry when he discovered Wayne and Cho also knows about his
list. Bertram told Jane that he knows he is getting close and I believed that
maybe Van Pelt told him or the CBI is bugged. Bertram is spying on Jane Thats
why Jane went to this attic to listen to the Sophie’s recording.

Bruno Heller said that there is
something wrong in the California law enforcement. I think that Bertram and his
poker friends are corrupted. And Red John knows about their wrongdoings. RJ don’t
necessary hypnotized all his followers but he blackmailed them to do his
bidding. This is how Jane does it sometime. Blackmailing LaRoche to give him
the list in season 3 or Bertram to get Lorelei from the FBI. Reed Smith and
Bertram desperately want to know about Jane’s progress because if RJ is caught
then they are going to be in trouble. Bertram looked very worried when he found
out that Partridge is dead. The reason why he died will be revealed later. My
guess is that Partridge was corrupted as well. He was probably removing
evidence at crime scenes. And RJ killed as a warning to Bertram and companions.


I have to admit I was not sure
Partridge was really dead but obviously there was someone else in the house in
the first episode. I find it strange how Lisbon got this call. RJ planned this
very well. I not sure about the clue Bruno Heller is talking. Visualize is
involved with Red John somehow, we will discover soon. I have suspicion RJ did
not kill those men in the barn but Stiles actually did. RJ was there and hiding
in the basement. I think that how he started killing people.

Kirkland is a very mysterious
man. I think most of agree by now that he is on a personal mission. He is after
RJ too just like Jane. Jane obviously had a fake list on his board. And thats
the fake list in episode 4. Maybe he is killing them. So Bertram, Smith, Stiles
and Kirkland is out. We are left with Haffner and McAllister. They both whistle
and very strong suspects. Personally, I think Ray is a too obvious choice but
could definitely be an accomplice. He is currently the most popular one because
of the scene at the hospital. He was creepy. The sheriff would make a great RJ.
He is a sheriff and thus he can be inconspicuous. He was weird in the episode 2
of season 1 which was written by Heller himself. The episode was about a serial
killer couple. Red John has serial killer friends like Timothy/Sally Carter,
Todd Johnson and maybe others.

I am really looking forward to
how Bruno will tell this story to make it epic.

Thanks for reading.

 





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Red John's Last Murder.

I know this is a bit Off Topic, but I've been seeing this for the last three or so seasons.
There has been a fundemental PROBLEM with "The Mentalist" from its start that Bruno Heller has always faced.  "What happens when Red John is CAUGHT."  For Jane, his work with the CBI is OVER.  He's avenged his Family.  His work is DONE.  That, seemingly CONCLUDES the Series.  That's why BH has teased us so miserably the last 5 years with Finales hinting at Red John's end with increasingly preposterous endings.
And I sussed out a way for the series to continue on after Red John's demise.  And you're not going to like it.
What is Red John's relationship with Patrick Jane?  Why doesn't he simply MURDER his biggest and cleverest foe or mow down his CBI team to force Jane to give up?  Why would he have his knife at Lisbon's neck and not kill her?  If he wanted to discourage Jane from pursuing him, why doesn't he just mow down Lisbon's team?
Red John has been grooming Jane as his SUCCESSOR.  He smells Jane's cold-blooded Sociopathy and actively wants to groom Jane as his successor.  So that if he is caught and killed, Jane will continue his legacy so that even in Death, Red John will always live on!  
Jane is key to his immortality.  Not his weak-minded Cult, but someone truly capable of taking on his mantle.  That's why Red John has spared Jane's Death so many times.  RJ wants Jane to be GRATEFUL to RJ and the only person RJ trusts to perpetuate his legacy.
Jane has been too strong.  He hasn't fallen for any of RJ's tricks.  I think Red John has given up on Jane.  He wants someone NEW to GROOM.  And that person is WAYNE RIGSBY.
RJ wanted to groom Jane into a cold, Sociopathic Killer like himself.  He has FAILED.  I think RJ has given up on Jane and moved on to Plan B.  He accepts that Jane will eventually hunt him down and kill him.
Jane was too strong to fall for RJ's manipulative tricks.  But he sees EASY PREY in Rigsby.  Rigsby's a Hot Head.
This is my vision of RJ's REVENGE against Jane:  When Jane has RJ finally hunted down, RJ will intruct his Cult to HUNT DOWN and KILL GRACE and Rigsby's SON.  Red John's final murder.  Let Rigsby feel the pain that Jane had felt.
Red John couldn't convert Jane into his chosen successor.  Red John LOST.  In his place, his Cult of devotees and wannabes turn to absolute CHAOS, with Rigsby wanting to go MEDIEVAL against anything smelling vaguely of Red John.  Red John rules beyond the Grave by the swath of Chaos left behind in his Wake.  Disciples and Wannabes war against Law Enforcement that just wants to smack down anything vaguely Red John.
Cut off the Head of the Hydra and only more problems emerge.

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