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I think, RAY/K could be right with the theory but with the addition, that I'm not shure, if HAFFNER is RJ (Could be but it's not safe).
Let's face the facts: The video must have been taken approximately 1 or 2 days after Lorelei got shot (look at the tape on her left arm). When she was killed by RJ, her left arm was fully recovered. Usually this takes one week or more. Do you really think, RJ played the paramedic for Lorelei and simply killed her after she recovered...mmmmmmmmmh?  
AND Lisbon is the only person on this planet PJ told, that he wants to make a list and narrow it down.
Furthermore Bruno Heller stated, that the whole video thing could seem like a kind of magic to some people, but in fact, there is nothing supernatural about it.

So consequentially someone gave this information to RJ. I think, it was not Lorelei, cause she tried to kill him but failed. I think, PJ was Lorelei's paramedic after she got shot, he asked her a favour for that and Lorelei agreed. Lorelei of cause didn't tell him RJ's real name, cause she wanted to take her own revenge. It was a sporting chance for PJ. If Lorelei would have been successfull by killing RJ, PJ shurely would be satisfied, too. If she fails (what surely happened), the video was his backup plan.
I bet, that there are at least two disks. One with a RJ Video and the other one is the disk, PJ showed Lisbon. I think RJ's disk contains a video which is also spoken by Lorelei. And I believe, it nearly contains the same tenor, than the one PJ showed Lisbon: "killing a happy memory" (I just stated in a previous post that I'm shure, PJ and RJ know each other for a long time), "a list", that PJ "narrowed down"...etc (btw RJ's video just has to contain MORE than 7 suspects. It' s a prestidigitation) ;-) and he will "start to kill often" (what a big surprise) :-)! And watch PJ when he shows the video to Lisbon. He observes her all the time. Then watch Lisbons face. Sometimes it seems like she would say: "How tf could you know".
The reason, why she gave the information with the list to RJ is jealousy. Remember: "You're a littel in love with him". RJ always lured his followers by fullfilling a desire. Finally remember JJ LaRoches statement in one of the latest episodes: "Ther is a leak inside the CBI".
I would bet any money, that the video was a bait. PJ is smart. He suspects Lisbon as a whistle-blower.
This would make sense. There is no more evidence for this theory, but on the other hand, ther is no evidence against it.

Oh! I almost forgot to say: Bruno Heller stated, that some people will be disapointed, when the truth is gonna be revealed. I believe, that he basically didn't mean RJ's true identity. I bet, he meant all the Jisbon fans.

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Hello guys!!!!!
I was thinking about #3477 of Michael-29, and may be PJ can also assume that Lorelei is/was not telling the truth so the 7 names might vary, if not all of them, there are three or four that are always candidates to be RJ, the rest until 7-10 could be different and I guess PJ knows that and has an alternative list.
What do you think?

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Ok..this is not an accusation. I do not have a concrete theory right now and frankly I don't want to have one..I love the supense, the mystery and it will only make the reveal somewhat satisfying.
Plus it says a lot about how great the writing is seeing that we're all confused and no matter how concrete we think our theories are there's always something amiss..part of the puzzle missing, incomplete. I love that.
This is an observation. Watch Red John's Rules again. I'll post a link below. WHEN PATRICK IS STARTING TO TELL LISBON ABOUT HIS LIST IN THE CAR AT THE BEGINNING OF THE EPISODE AFTER THEY HAVE VISITED THE CRIME SCENE, HERE'S WHAT HE SAYS:
ASSUMING LORELAI IS TELLING THE TRUTH, RED JOHN IS ONE OF 1357 MEN ETC...
He says Lorelai IS telling the truth not WAS. Don't know if it was a mistake, the timeline is also confusing. I just think the writer's wouldn't normally make mistakes like that, especially when it comes to such an important character. Mistake or not, just something I came accross, take a look:
(go to about 5:30 in the video)
http://www.zzstream.li/2013/05/the-mentalist-s5-e22-red-johns-rules.html

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I was on the can this afternoon ad I started saying please god tell me who red John is. I looked up towrs the ceiling and saw that someone has written high on the stall wall here I sit my butt cheeks a flexin as I just have birth to another Texan. So if we find the suspect who has a connection to Texas we have red John.

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Let's look at the case with the tactic of DUALITY.

* Did Rosalind lie about RJ's definition?
1- Yes: In this case, the list of 7 can be legit and we should all look for RJ within the list.
2- No: In this case, the list of 7 is bullshit. How:
    a-) Lorelei is not dead and She and Patrick created the video as the main element of their master plan. 
          Question: If this is the case, why didn't Lorelei just simply told Jane who RJ was?
          Answer: She doesn't know who RJ is. She pretended to know RJ but in fact, she is/was in communication with one of his high-rank officers only. And waking up that officer would result with her true death, so they couldn't just strike him to find out who Rj really is. Dead end.
          Question-2: Lorelei's death was publicly announced. And the killer is known as RJ. Knowing that he didn't kill her, wouldn't a guy like RJ who has great resources seek and destroy her for good until now?  
          Answer-2: If Lorelei is still alive, she must be hiding in some place which is out of reach of anyone with any kind of resources. Only Jane knows it. This might be a point to start the new hunt by using her as a bait.
    b-) Lorelei is as dead as Dinosaurs and the video was recorded by RJ indeed. 
          Question: How the hell did RJ know all that stuff (considering that Kirkland had broken into Jane's loft after the chic gets killed) in the first place?
          Answer-1: RJ was the person who planted those clues to be able to come up with such a list in the first place. Very much possible.
          Answer-2: He didn't guess shit. Jane just pretended that his list and RJ's list are the same. After all, there wasn't a list in Jane's hand. There were just photos and he watched the video a few times before anyone else did and it was easy to collect all those pics together as he was already collecting data about every person of interest during his investigation / brainstorming process. Dead end. Start over.

* Did Lorelei lie about the hand-shake phenomenon?

1- Yes: In that case, RJ's list and Jane's list are completely like black and white. And this can be possible because even though some people say that she said those words very instantly during a hot conversation but we should also consider the fact that she had Patrick totally conned until she reveals the truth that she was one of RJ's accomplices. So the hand-shake thing can also be a well-worked act. Dead end. Start over.

2- No: In that case, Red John just followed a similar method of deduction as Jane did, and came up with the same list. Here's another clue actually. Red John uses the phrase "Lucky Break" when defining the Jane's narrowed list. He just doesn't accept the reality that Jane actually generated the list by working on all the clues and connections but simply luck. That might be a result of RJ's personal belief that he is smarter than Jane and doesn't want to admit the truth that Jane can also go as far as he can go when it comes to intelligence. Therefore, he insulted Jane with the idea that even though Jane could somehow reach those names after months of struggle, RJ in return, could simply get the same result very easily just by thinking like PJ. Because there's nothing else left to insult here.

And this aggression makes me think that RJ has a great claim in the field of mentalism in a way that he can even lose control against any situation where someone else has a possibility of beating him or getting even close to him. This is why it makes me think that this guy can very well be someone from Jane's past (from carnival days). And what I believe is that there will be a two-stage tracking for RJ. At first, they will precisely determine who in that list is RJ. And once they reach him (by taking under arrest or killing directly), then they will realize that he is the operational part of RJ (doing the physical acts like killing and/or planting false/true clues in places, maybe even supervising all the RJ accomplices). Later on, by coincidence or clever thinking they will realize that there is a master brain behind all that (this doesn't mean that the puppet RJ is idiot). And the hunt will end with finding out the truth behind RJ's existence and acts, and the killing of him (no arrest will take place).

My candidates for the muscle & brain RJs are:

Muscle: Brett Partridge (he must be honored of being Red John once because there's a serious crowd crediting him in that direction)
Brain: Alex Jane (for the ones who love mystery rather than obvious picks) 

This way: Heller will never have to be responding to questions "But you said RJ was in the list of 7 in your interview?". That's right. And it was BP and he was on the list. And also, The Mentalist will be a unique masterpiece melting 2 serial killers in one pot as fully coordinating and equally active within the crime. Of course, he might pick another way to be unique but so far I could only come up with this scenario depending on what the show makes me feel. for the ones who are curious why I connected these 2 characters to each other, you may see my previous theory # 2934.

Hope you like it. And by the way, please contribute to develop it further. Don't get mad at me. Other plain scenarios would just be boring... :))))

 

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What is absolutely clear is that Jane does not believe in Rosalind s description of Roy Tagliaferro - Red John  cause most of the seven suspects do not fit that description. So Jane thinks Rosalind is lying. She says she knows nothing about Red John, pretending to be an innocent girl... 
definitely accomplice

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This isn't a theory ... I would just like to say that i'm having a couple of problems buying the last episode ...
First ... The list ...
Well ... How could RJ get precisely the same list as Jane???
And how come, in jane's list, there's no one from his carnies days or from his psychic days??
He said that the list had the only 7 people that could have been in every crime places ... Really ???
Nobody from his preview life (before CBI) could have been in every crime scene????
But ... continuing ... In the Red Barn episode, we heard, and so did jane, from a priest that a "kid" was painting the smiling face .... Well that was in 1988 ... So the person would have to be 30 (TOPS) in those days ... Well ... Jane knows this ... but RJ didn't know this ... So i can understand why stiles is in RJ's list ... What i can't understand is why is he in Jane's list ... He is too old !!!!!
And ... Last but not least ... How could ANYONE know that Lily Barlow was a happy memory for jane if he didn't tell anyone?????
I guess he could have told in the carnies days or in the asylum but ... Wouldn't he remember telling??
I mean, really people, think a little bit?? Does anyone know who is and who is not in your memories??
Nobody can know that if we don't tell them ... Not our parents, our siblings or our best friends ...
Because, we all have had several happy moments in the past ... And sometimes we don't even know why we remember one more than another ... So how could someone else do it ???

Oh ... And btw ... Let me tell you what i think about the list...
Bret Stiles - To damn old, not a chance he could be RJ ... And ... Why would he help Jane with the escape of Lorelai???
Would he really risk her telling jane he was RJ ???
Gale Bertram - The most unrealistic choice of all ... Really?! He is a federal agency Director ... His whereabouts are always known ...
I mean ... Every federal agency director has a team of full-time bodyguards and is electronically tracked ... So for him to be RJ he wouldn't have to be great ... He would have to be freaking Superman !!
Robert Kirkland - The proof that there was never a RJ and they put a guy into the show just to be RJ ... A guy that appeared from nowhere and suddenly has 10 or 12 proof against him in a couple of episodes.Ray Haffner - Precisely the same thing as kirkland ...Reede Smith - my answer to this, and all you super fans will understand, is ... WHO ????? His name had to be one just to make an even 7 name list (7 names, 7 letters in red john)Sheriff McAllister - He is a nobody and he is a bit too old to be RJ ...Brett Partridge - The guy everybody suspected, at least for a moment ... The guy that doesn't make sense because he's too obvious ...I really would prefer if RJ would've been Mashburn, Winter or Royston Daniels ... But ... in this list, if RJ is anyone but Partridge the ending won't be disappointing, it will be stupid !!

Oh ... i remembered another thing ... So ... Jane was head to head with RJ in that tyger tyger stuff and didn't notice that Reede smith couldn't possibly be that man ... i mean ... the whole body is completely different ...
Reede smith is a rounder version of a RJ ... =P)

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