I still don't understand how Red John got the knowledge of Patrick's exact same 7 suspects, and even weirder, how did he know who the suspects were before Patrick? This tape with Lorelei when she is speaking for Red John was shortly before she was killed, the bandage from the gunshot wound on her left arm proves it. Which means the tape was recorded just after Lorelei told Jane she was going after Red John to kill him, and this was in episode 16. Jane narrowed down the list in the season finale, 6 episodes later. Which brings me back to my question: How did Red John know about the list and the 7 names? It's like Red John knows exactly what Jane is thinking because I don't really see any other connections here. I also don't understand HOW Patrick really narrowed down the list to these 7 individuals specificly, in what way? The Elliston farm? Members from Visualize, how? Visualize absolutely refused CBI to look at any membership from 1988 or any year before or after. I don't see any connections to this at all. I'm going crazy...

There are some points which i would like to present. ***Major Spoiler***







1. None of the 7 persons listed in Episode 22 Season 5 are likely to be Red John, my original choice was Stile, but it seems he has more light then dark inside of him. I can say there are 4 people on the list working for him. 

2. Episode 22 was a trap for Jane, the kill was not made by Red John. This is like a optional move for the game from Red John, if she was not a fond memory of the past then Jane wouldn't have pursuit the case, as the killer said "he(red john) said should this happen he told me to give you something" Red John him self was not sure if she was. 

3. The creation of the "Board" was the trap for Red John, Jane knew there was a mole in his rank. Therefore, how do one unmole a mole? you spread rumor and confusion in your ranks, so that they slip false information to your enemy. ( I will not define this further as it will spoil next season) Why did Jane burn the board? it is because the message on there was delivered and you need the illusion of solving the problem by burning the answer. (another Magician Trick)

4. I am thinking that Red John is not scared of Jane. He threaten to kill again because he was mad that he was the only one not on the list, he was under estimated. How do you get a Tiger Angry? you disrespect it. Red John thought Jane knew him well like a soul mate in mirror, this was also reflected in use of "Tiger Tiger". There are always two side of a coin. And he tease Jane for making such assumption, "you think you are smart?" for me it was like " i thought you would be smarter then this". If Red john did not like Jane he would have had him killed a long time ago, Jane is a constant reminder of Red John, a past, a present and a future. 

There is strong evidence that the revealed list was a fake planted by Jane.  Jane was excluding people based on clues revealed in Season 5. 

The knowledge that RJ was a kid when the smiley was painted on the barn would exclude Stiles from the list because he is far too old.

Kirkland shook hands with Jane after Lorelei was in prison and there is no way that RJ would sneak a message into Lorelei just to tell her that he's finally met and shaken hands with Jane. 

According to Jane's criteria, neither of these would've made it on to Jane's list so the list must have been a fake.

It only makes sense because season five spent a great amount of time building up Kirkland as a character so he could steal Jane's list.  Regardless of whether the list is real or fake, it would be statistically impossible for RJ to guess Jane's exact names plus the number seven for suspects without stealing it from Jane.  Yes RJ might have spent hours listing people Jane might have met and narrowed it down himself but it impossible that he would narrowed it down to the exact same number and names.  It would be complicated to have Lorelei make the video before Kirkland stole the list but not impossible if RJ had also stolen Jane's longer list of suspect and edited Lorelei afterward.

The show delibrately show Jane setting a trap with the toothpick and smiling when he realizes that someone broke in to his loft.  The only reason for that smile would be if Jane had planted the list.

Heller said that RJ is definitely on Jane's list but we never heard all of Jane's list.  Jane only said Bertram and he never confirmed that RJ's list was his own.  You'd think that if the list was real, Lisbon would looked to Jane to see confirmation that RJ had guess right.  That the episode doesn't include that confirmation and mutual questioning of RJ's methods, means that the writers did not want to absolutely confirm the list. 

Everyone has been disappointed by the list judging by the comments.  I can't believe that the writers would be stupid enough to choose flat characters as suspects when they've spent so much time building up really good suspects like Mashburn, Winter, Harken, etc.  This is just a very clever mislead.  Heller didn't lie when he said RJ was on Jane's list but we haven't heard Jane's list yet - only RJ's prediction which was likely planted by Jane.  Heller didn't lie when he said names would be named either.  We heard names but we don't know if they were the correct names.  This is like the Season three final where it seemed obvious that RJ was dead.

Red John 7 List of Suspects:
Bret Stiles  --RED HERRRING
Gale Bertram -- VERY POSSIBLE
Ray Haffner ---POSSIBLE
Reede Smith --- POSSIBLE
Robert Kirkland --- TOO OBVIOUS SO NOPE
Sheriff Thomas McAllister ---CAN SOMEONE ENLIGHTEN ME WHO IS HE which episode is he from?
Brett Partridge --- VERY POSSIBLE

My top two contenders are Brett Partridge and Gale Bertram and yet both are only possible because of being at the right place every wrong time. Seriously now that I think about it, Brett Patridge might be a little too obvious as well its as if they are rewarding long time followers of the show more than placing actual red john clues so I'm going to go back to Gale. 

Why? Gale Bertnam has the means to always be one step of Jane and Lisbon's team because duh he's the boss. I just cannot get over the fact that he  also once recited William Blake's poem that is by NO MERE COINCIDENCE, and I just can visualize him having the means to contact Kirkland from Homeland Security more so than Brett. Thus having Jane's seven suspect in the first place to send that creepy video. 

(Continue reading to see why I select Brett though) 

Kirkland is definitely a HELPER/FRIEND of rj whether intentionally or not thus explaining the Lorelai Martins fake corpse thingy. I mean if he turns out to be rj I would feel kinda of cheated for having speculate so much only when the answer is like just him. Heller won't want to take the audience on a joyride I hope. 

Brett Stiles is only possible for being rj because of the fact that its played by Malcom hahaaha and I don't think so. However, I look forward to his presence each time because he is just so enjoyable to watch :)

Ray Haffner seems like a possible suspect because he is just so annoying haha but I think that his presence in that main episode was more of to show the Lisbon's team dynamics and cooperation (one of my fav!) rather than being a redjohn episode.

I remembered someone describing him of somewhat like a surveillance kind of person and while this matches the personality of RJ, there is still too little evidence for us to exactly say why. 

Reede Smith hard to tell as well due to the lack of evidence :( thus more likely and unlikely at the same time.  

HOWEVER, while logically it seems as if Bertnam is the man, I select Brett because I WANT him to be RJ and I am sure many people here would agree. Thus making his character even more like a sociopath because he really did put on a mask to behave stupidly each time in front of Jane. 

The director might consider taking the popular choice ;) plus he's been with us since we first met Jane. 

On a separate note, please comment on what you think of the season finale!! I love it! Confirmed my suspicion of four out of seven that I suspected with the exception of the Sheriff and Reede Smith. People who thought Jane is RJ can just stop watching the show muahahaha. 

And the Jisbon relationship is really progressing! Lisbon didnt even pretend to deny her infatuation hehe. Rigsby and Van Pelt are also back together love Cho's expression when he mentioned it coolly to Rigsby. :D Feel free to add friendly and constructive comments!