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The one thing im curious about is RJs voice... is he using a scrambler?
About the identity of RJ - the list was made up so the show could go on. At the end of the season we'll find out that RJ is someone from  out of the picture.

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We got that Red John got "Acrophobia"  Fear of hights, he does not fear birds or what you guys r talking about in here

heres a screen with the sub

http://gyazo.com/4adcd79f279f74731b22881a2959dd04


second: In the next episode "Red Weeding" Jane will look up sheriff Thomas Mcallister to get more info if hes Red John or not

Jane's on a high roof on that episode with sheriff Thomas Mcallister, Jane is almost fallign down from the roof, but grabs something soo he wont fall off, then sheriff Thomas Mcallister is walking to jane wheres he hanging for his life, like a man, sheriff Thomas Mcallister is not afraid of heights.

witch means we can take him off the list aswell

heres the vidd that shows what im talking about, if my english was to bad :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfgrpESqCgw









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The show is titled 'The Mentalist'.....which is what Heller appears to be :) and he has been extremely successful in playing with your minds hasn't he ? ;)

So assuming that RJ is on that list

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that RJ has now started killing the suspects one at a time (Brett P was his first vic) on that list

I think PJ should now take a break, go on a vaca, in the meantime RJ would have killed 5 more suspects on that list thus eliminating 6 suspects :)

Et Voila !!!! PJ returns from vaca and arrests RJ !!!!!! WOO HOO

Thanks Bruno, for making it so simple for all of us :)

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Let me put some thoughts on how the show goes and how people react and what's happening why...

First of all, for the ones who ask questions like "there must be a reason why the writers place single-shot characters like Mc Allister again in 6th season...". Yes, they must be doing this because as we are given the list of 7 and those characters take place in it, it's pretty natural to keep those guys in the picture. How else would Bruno keep you thinking of shallow theories (Distraction)?

Second, there are the ones asking " Why didn't they show BP's body on 6x02? They just showed the body bag and skipped it quickly..." Yes, because otherwise, the ones who die for BP to be RJ wouldn't be producing any further theories (distraction) no more.

"Why do I feel like it's Jane himself? Well... it seems kinda impossible but still I have the hunch..." Yes, you will have that hunch until the end, even after that. Because you ignore the storyline and very few clues but instead, focus on an idea which has been processed in some other productions whether on TV or cinema.

" First I thought it was Partridge but since he's dead, now I'm 100% sure it's Haffner..." Don't worry, because you were actually 100% sure it was Partridge before.

" Red John is not a person, it's an organization full of people and when they combine together, they form up RJ". That reminds me of Voltron. Except, in Voltron there were lions instead of Tigers :)

Sorry if I seem too arrogant in choosing the way I put down the above examples however, we need to ask ourselves a few questions if we're trying to generate theories about the big mystery in this show which is Red John's identity and why he's doing what he's doing. Before going into that part, I'd like to say that I don't believe Heller in his all statements but I do believe something. RJ was designed from the beginning. I don't believe there were twists about his identity along the storyline.

1- Today's producers and/or writers aim to be unique with their products. I mean in the past, what mattered was how you told the story (that was how writers/directors/producers are differentiated and credited accordingly) but now it's more like "let me do the undone" kind of approach. Look at the shows in recent years (exclude the ones with cliche plots like mafia things, history things, etc. because you can't play much with those) such as Revolution, Lost, Prison Break, Breaking Bad, etc. All these shows add up something unique to their storyline. Lost was unique itself (it just ended bad), Breaking Bad was nothing new (in terms of drug trade and related issues) but added up a genius chemistry teacher to go out of line as irreversible (has it been done before? No). Prison Break centered on a break out (that part was done before many times) but the fiction behind the trap was unique. Revolution is again unique by its plot. So, this means that in today's show world you have to do something new (and do it good) in order to take your place among the unforgettable (after making money of course). Because the competition (as it is everywhere in each sector) gets tighter and tighter every year and these people must make a difference in order to spark. So, the question is; do you really think that Heller will give us the pleasure of actually guessing the real thing until he reveals it? Allow me to retort: NO WAY!

2- We tend to think of the concept "CLUES" all the time. And this is why we're mixing up the real clues with the false ones and things get quite messed up in our minds and finally we come up with stupid theories most of the time. I have seen many of the theories on this site as well as on others and I can frankly say that there are many people here even more successful than many of the professionals in criminal field. But, this you can only do by bringing clues together and generate thoughts because this is how it's made. If the false clues (red herrings) and real clues get mixed together, your judgement is born dead. If there is a cat and mouse play is going on, this is happening between us and show's producers / writers. 

So, if I am right; I mean the show's creators mean to be unique with their product, then it's a really tough job to actually know what will happen and who RJ will be. Because people's minds always tend to flow in a direction where similar stories had taken place and look for similarities in order to guess things right. After all, all of us posting theories here are doing this for what? CREDIT. To be praised by others. When the show reveals its secret, to be able to say "I was the one who thought it correctly. See how clever I am?". While we do have this urge to outsmart each other here in this platform, just think about Heller's position having all the strings in hand. There are some people (the ones I laugh at most) saying: It's Haffner, I know! Why? Because I have a hunch... Good for you to have such a talent bro, why don't you use it to tell me where my lost socks are?

Of course, we will post our theories but repetitions of many other theories with very similar reasonings are kinda boring. Don't get me wrong, everyone has the right to write whatever he/she chooses to. But it just doesn't contribute to anything when we keep posting the same things with same deductions. You may curse at me, criticize me, dislike me, I respect that. But one thing you must admit; what I'm saying is true...

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Watch again: 11 minute chapter 1 season 6. Play close atention.

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Very interesting episode, don't really know what to gather from it. Perhaps the seven are all entwined with RJ somehow, that would make sense, however, none of them are RJ, it's too simple. I was thinking on this, and it led me to Hightower, why did Red John frame her? it did not achieve anything, she fled, and Craig O'Laughlin eventually had to reveal himself as the Bug in the CBI, not secretively, but amongst others. And it's not like RJ had Todd Johnson killed because he was going to reveal anything, that was never on the cards. There is more to it than on the face I believe, Hightower may surface again with Jane, or maybe not, because of her children. I know this hasn't really had a valid opinion of who RJ is, but I don't think it is anyone on the list. I think Hightower has some association with RJ, and unlike Bertram and the crew, who seem to be governed by RJ for reasons unknown, Hightower deviated from him, and managed to get away safely. 

I read below someone quoted Heller saying that it will be disappointing when the RJ reveal comes out. That does not make it obvious, it is a writer expressing his sadness that the show is coming to an end (I read he would have preferred to kept the show going, but due to less viewers etc, the network gave him one more season to close the show out). 

And I have also seen some saying it could still be Brett Patridge? makes no sense, he died, Lisbon watched this, and as she did, the door that was previously closed behind her, was now open and she was grabbed, Brett Patridge is not two people. 

Back to the point, if there is one, i've lost myself too. Brett Stiles does know RJ, and was able to give Jane the clue a while back because he is very powerful and RJ would not risk revealing himself, for something that would not result in his demise- OR perhaps Red John asked Stiles a favour. I would suggest RJ wanted Jane to find Frye, it was a scare tactic, he got into her head something fierce. 

A Stiles and Ray Haffner connection through Visualize also suggests the entwinement of all these characters. 

I do not think it is Bob Kirkland, I read below, Kirkland may be a collateral damage of one of RJ victims, much like Jane, but Kirkland himself does not have to cunning like Jane in order to seek a full revenge. That is very possible. But then I also think he could have been used by RJ to get into Jane's room and get all his notes etc, which is definitely how RJ got the seven names (but may have been attained by a separate friend). I think the names, however, are a facade. A clever ruse, as Jane would put it, he knew there were bugs in the CBI, who would watch him, see him go to the roof, investigate the locked door etc, of course RJ will try and enter, he always needs to be one step ahead, but Jane is two. He has to be. It's Patrick Jane, he told Lisbon, he knew the consequences, he is smart, that is his character. 

I say don't expect the expected, that is, the six. 

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This could be wrong (probably is) but here's my theory: I don't know exactly who Red John is but I feel like the 7 suspects know who he is and he is seeking some type of revenge on them. The 7 may have been part of some group or cult that destroyed his life years ago. They must have thought he wasn't a problem anymore so he was able to disappear and become Red John. Now, before he can kill Jane he must expose and destroy those who hurt him as a form of revenge and to show Jane that no one is innocent and people deserve to be destroyed. However, the 7 suspects are trying to fight back. It would explain why Partridge was only around on the Red John cases, Kirkland was trying to find out all the info he could, and Bertram/Reede/McAllister met (in order to hide their secret).

As for individual suspects for this theory my list would be:

Walter Mashburn- We never found out what his dark secret was. Plus, he is one of the main suspects outside the 7.

Ellis Mars- I really thought he'd be on the list. He is supposedly psychic, the clue from the Renfrew crime scene, and he seemed to be a viable counterpart to Jane in the episode.

Max Winter- He tried to push Jane over the edge and turn him into a murderer with partial success.

The theories are based on my own thoughts and info from The Mentalist Wiki. Again, just an idea, but it might be crazy enough to be right.



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